Posted on 10/02/2024 4:22:52 AM PDT by MtnClimber
Tim Walz and J.D. Vance debated Wednesday night.
The debate was gracious on both sides. The moderators of the debate asked a number of policy questions, and each candidate answered giving some deference to the other candidate and in most cases suggesting there was some room for compromise on specific laws/policies that would need to be enacted during the next four years.
Yet the tone of good will and compromise that each tried to establish to some degree was false and misleading. The differences between the two candidates and the presidential candidates with whom each is running could not be more profound.
One candidate -- Walz -- represents government solutions to all problems, or, in other words, some form of socialism or communism to establish “fairness” in governance, while the Trump camp supports our federal system of government with its checks and balances between the states and the federal government and the respective branches of government, and the supply and demand marketplace to solve more of our economic issues.
For example, Trump wants to tax imports from Asian countries where goods are made by workers sometimes paid a mere $3 a day, and provide tax breaks for companies to establish plants in the U.S. to produce goods rather than create plants in those Asian countries like the PRC, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, etc.
Thus, the Trump administration would be resisting the trend towards globalization of markets and reinforce the need to bring jobs back to the U.S. He would penalize the exporting of jobs by multinational corporations.
The Democrats support a green energy agenda while Trump and the Republicans are committed to free markets and the continued viability of oil, gas, and coal as the basis of our wealth and productivity. The Democrats believe in continual negotiation with dictators and belligerent
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CBS, CNN Polls say J.D. Vance won debate
i was concerned that Trump was just a speed bump on the road to collectivism
but JD Vance gives me hope that MAGA will continue post-Trump
Maybe he just needs to outlaw having babies and start from point Zero. Let those who want babies demand the democrats protect the herd.
Abortions is a BS issue. Why isn’t the issue Eye Glasses or Dental Care? Why is the primary issue for both parties one that affects no more than half the population, and that half has 15-20 year window on fertility. We all need to see and eat.
He admitted to being a “knucklehead”, but it goes much deeper than that.
Trump loses votes because he is intemperate, and some folks are concerned there will be no one to restrain him in office. Vance coming across as restrained and friendly was the perfect tone to assuage the concerns of those kind of voters.
You don't get into Yale Law as a middle class white guy with no family connections unless you are blindingly smart. Vance figured out ahead of time exactly what Trump's campaign needed from him, and delivered.
I have a different take on the debate. Of course I believe Vance had the policies right and did a great job. I did. I did not find Walz distasteful. He seems like a genuine sanguine guy who would be fun to go bowling with. Of course he’s a liberal democrat who has to support cackles.
Trump could have been more JDV like in the last debate. Could have been more rested too because he looked tired and got too easily agitated with KamLaLa the actress. Stay on point, relaxed, gracious but firm. Works better when trying to win over any undecided thin skinned voters out there. Good job JDV.
I think the MSM will try to pretend that Vance does not exist from here on out. Interacting with him at all hurts their narrative too much.
I'd love to know the logic in republican candidates agreeing to debate or interview on networks with moderators and newspersons who are rabidly democrat surrogates. Like you, I don't get it.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/full-vp-debate-transcript-walz-vance-2024/
Tim Walz 10/01/24 Lies on Abortion:
Yeah. Well, the question got asked, and Donald Trump made the accusation that wasn’t true about Minnesota. Well, let me tell you about this idea that there’s diverse states. There’s a young woman named Amber Thurmond. She happened to be in Georgia, a restrictive state. Because of that, she had to travel a long distance to North Carolina to try and get her care.
Amber Thurman died in that journey back and forth. The fact of the matter is, how can we as a nation say that your life and your rights as basic as the right to control your own body is determined on geography?
There’s a very real chance, had Amber Thurman lived in Minnesota, she would be alive today.
That’s why the restoration of Roe v. Wade. When you listen to Vice President Harris talk about this subject, and you hear me talk about it, you hear us talking exactly the same. Donald Trump is trying to figure out how to get the political right of this. I agree with a lot of what Senator Vance said about what’s happening. His running mate, though, does not. And that’s the problem.
Pro-Life OB/GYN: Kamala Harris’ ‘dangerous lies are killing women’
Catholic Vote ^ | September 23, 2024 | Susan Berry, Ph.D.
https://catholicvote.org/pro-life-ob-gyn-kamala-harris-dangerous-lies-are-killing-women/
Pro-Publica reported that Thurman died in 2022 after being hospitalized for an infection that developed after she took abortion pills in North Carolina since she was more than six weeks pregnant with her twins. Georgia’s law limits abortion after six weeks, but clearly permits the procedure when the mother’s life or physical health is endangered. When Thurman arrived at the emergency room in Georgia, her twins were already dead, but “she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body” and needed a “dilation and curettage, or D&C.”
The outlet reported that doctors “monitored her infection spreading, her blood pressure sinking and her organs beginning to fail,” and decided to operate after 20 hours – when it was already too late.
Similarly, Candi Miller, another Georgia mother, died after taking abortion-inducing drugs and, reportedly, in reaction to the media’s false claim that she could be prosecuted under her state’s law, did not act to obtain emergency medical treatment.
Francis, an OB/GYN, posted two videos to X last week urging Harris and her media allies to stop their “dangerous lies” to women:
After watching Harris’ comments in Atlanta about the deaths of Thurman and Miller, Francis said on Wednesday that she agrees both women’s deaths were “100% preventable.”
“However, their deaths were not the fault of Georgia’s abortion law,” Francis said:
No pro-life law in the country prevents OB/GYNs like me from intervening when a woman is facing a potentially life-threatening complication of her pregnancy. They do not have to be knocking on death’s door before we can intervene. In fact, I can speak from experience, as I practice in Indiana, which has a very similar law. Madam Vice President: Stop lying to my patients! Your lies are harming women and they’re harming physicians!
On Friday, Francis posted again on the “dangerous lies about abortion drugs” and the claim that “state abortion laws are killing women.”
Georgia’s abortion law, Francis explained, not only was meant to protect women and children in the state of Georgia, but also is very clear in that doctors can intervene in cases where women are facing potentially life-threatening complications of their pregnancy, or even if they have a chronic medical condition that poses a severe threat to their life or physical health.
Miller, the OB/GYN pointed out, “avoided going to see the doctor with these complications because she had heard the lies about Georgia’s abortion law and was afraid to go to the doctor that she wouldn’t receive the care that she needed, or that she would be prosecuted.”
“There’s not a single state law in this country that prosecutes women who have had abortions,” Francis continued, and there’s not a single state law in the entire country that prevents doctors like me from intervening to manage complications, especially complications that we see routinely after women take abortion drugs. Candi and Amber, who we heard about yesterday, both suffered severe complications from abortion drugs that potentially led to their death. It’s important for women to understand that these drugs carry inherent risks and the way they’re being dispensed online now, because of the FDA’s reckless actions in removing medical supervision, is especially dangerous. It’s time for these lies to stop. Stop putting a political agenda ahead of women’s health!
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>> CBS, CNN Polls say J.D. Vance won debate
Interesting! Thanks for sharing.
*I* certainly think JD Vance won, but then I’m a deplorable hyperpartisan faaar-right ultraMAGA Christian Nationalist. :-)
>> I’d love to know the logic in republican candidates agreeing to debate or interview on networks with moderators and newspersons who are rabidly democrat surrogates. Like you, I don’t get it.
It might also make sense if one or two of the debates were moderated by (say) Tucker Carlson at one of his live interview shows. Having extremist moderators on the left AND on the right would actually be a useful way of getting at the truth about the candidates’ leanings. But the pubbies NEVER EVER force that to happen. They just let the Evil Party have their way with “our” candidates. Not for nothing do we refer to the (R) team as “the stupid party”.
He came off as an old natl guard SMS used to browbeating and bullying, IMO.
States rights Trump Federal jurisdiction.
We can always find people who make bad choices and people who have problems with red rape.
You want an abortion, you pay for it. It is an elective procedure which results in the termination of life.
Eyecare and dental care should basic health care for everyone and and not backseat to Abortions or murder.
If someone dies because they made a series of bad decisions I should not be paying for their bills.
P.S. I live in NC. I seriously wonder if my state illegally paid or subsusdized a procedure or medical care authirized for NC residents? Her abortion pills worked, and she died from the decaying human tissue she killed by her own choice. Sometimes a state limits choices for our own good, or safety.
NC needs to make damn sure state dollars are not diverted to nonstate residents.
Unlike other issues, abortion involves a child at different levels of development. Abortion proponents argue that a pregnant woman has the right to kill her baby - claiming "it's my body."
We now have states that allow killing the baby outside the womb. How far will we to push the envelope. Many years back I took an Ethics course which cited Peter Singer, the Ethics head at Princeton at the time. Singer proposed that parents should be able to euthanize (kill) their children until they are 3 because they haven't come to self realization and have no more intellect than a pig.
Do we value human life? If so, are there human lives that others have a right to euthanize (abort).
Thank God our parents didn't abort us. This is something pro-abortionists don't seem to consider
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