Posted on 09/12/2024 2:59:21 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
Discovered in 2015 at the entrance to the Grotte Mandrin rock shelter in the Rhône River valley of southern France, Thorin — nicknamed after a dwarf in J. R. R. Tolkien's "The Hobbit" — has sometimes been called the "last Neanderthal" because he may have lived as recently as 42,000 years ago, close to when our closest human relatives disappeared. Although only his teeth and portions of the skull have been recovered so far, Thorin's genome was analyzed to better understand when and how Neanderthals disappeared.
In a study published Wednesday (Sept. 11) in the journal Cell Genomics, a team of researchers led by Ludovic Slimak of the Center for Anthropobiology and Genomics of Toulouse, France, detailed their discovery that Thorin came from a lineage of Neanderthals who were isolated for thousands of years, in spite of the fact that other groups lived nearby.
(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...
Non-Africans carry around 2% Neanderthal DNA in their genomes — yet there's one chromosome where DNA from our ancient cousins is nowhere to be found.The mystery of the disappearing Neanderthal Y chromosome | Emily Cooke | May 17, 2024 | LiveScience
Neanderthals didn't truly go extinct, but were rather absorbed into the modern human population, DNA study suggests | Charles Q. Choi | July 11, 2024 | LiveScience
Thanks for the link!
I don't buy into "50,000 years of isolation" in this claim. The "isolated for 1000s of years" for the population of North Sentinel island is known to not be true, during the colonial period it was just as mix-and-match as the rest of the colonial world.
fascinating — thanks for links for further reading.
So they interbred themselves into extinction, perhaps? Any absorption was like a mop up of the few remaining folk.
Thank you for these links! Can’t wait to learn more!
Hmmm, inbreeding? So when the good Lord put us on Earth is it possible those creatures thought of as being links between chimps and man were just deformed inbred idiots?
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So this group went extinct because they didn't have the bags to cover a two-bagger's face.
Genetic engineering in the early part of human history. Including interspecies breeding. These experiments were prone to failure.
Apparently the Hobbit had it wrong. Thorin was both the son and son-in-law of Thrain?
I don’t buy that the earth is over 50,000 years old.
Neanderthals were Muslims?
There is no species that is a "link between chimps and man" per se --> what is more correct is that chimps (genus PAN) are, what you may call "fourth cousins" to Homo Homo Sapiens (humans)
Modern Humans (Homo homo sapiens) and Chimps had a common ancestor millions of years ago
Within the "Homo" genus, we have homo sapiens and homo neanderthalensis - which could to some extent interbreed (most results were sterile, but not all) - which is why all NON-sub Saharan AFRICANS have some levels of Neanderthal genes.
2 Peter 3:5-7 KJV
“For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: but the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”
Some believe that this verse refers to the Flood of Noah, others believe that it refers back to Genesis 1:2, whereby Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”(whenever this happened, perhaps millions of years ago). 1:2, “And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep”. (this verse demonstrating what the earth looked like at some point in time(again, perhaps millions of years) after Genesis 1:1.
What could have taken place on the earth between those two periods? Lucifers Kingdom, all sorts of animals including man as an “animal” rather than man “made in the image of God” as we are created now. Why else would the Bible say “Let us create man in our image”? It doesn’t say “Let us create man, and make him in our image”. By saying what it does it suggests that “man” was already a known commodity.
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No, they weren’t sterile. The amount of known Neandertal DNA in living humans is roughly the same about they get from a great-great-great-great-grandparent.
Regards,
One thing I've seen a few paleontologists discuss is that Neanderthals lived in isolated groups with very small interconnections. In contrast as soon as EMH show up they can find trade networks in stone and shells, etc., stretching across hundreds of miles. The fundamental weakness of Neanderthals may have been an inability to form social networks larger than small clans, which might also explain the small populations ad inbreeding.
There's a paleobiologist who is arguing that for modern Europeans to have as much Neanderthal DNA as they currently have the population must have started out as something like 50% Neanderthal.
That would make us the descendants of Neanderthals, meaning they never went extinct but just got bred into a larger population where many of their traits were selected against over time.
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