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Newly dDiscovered Cause of Insulin Resistance -- neither sugar nor sat fats [of interest to carnivores]
YT Thomas DeLauer ^ | Dr. Ven Watson

Posted on 08/29/2024 6:47:03 AM PDT by Chicory

This is a long video about the discovery of and research into a newly discovered essential fatty acid, C15, aka pentadecanoic acid.

Very quick synopsis (by me, so may have reflect misunderstanding, lack of attention, etc.): first noticed Navy dolphins having 1 type of health problem; studied hard; found low levels of C15.

Research showed this causes weakening of cell linings (and a bunch of technical stuff about mitochondria and so on), end result: this weakening of cell walls causes premature aging due to death of cells.

Notice: more and more and more children now have Type 2 diabetes, which used to be almost unheard off, and other stuff like higher rates of cardio problems (expected to increase by 600%!!!), and so on.

Where do we find this amazing fatty acid?

Whole dairy fats.

And shortly after minute 35, she gets into how the problems started showing up about 15-20 years after the FDA said everyone should only drink low-fat milk if not avoid it altogether.

According to some of the comments, the doctor and her husband are now selling C15 supplements, but this seems to be very available in food.


TOPICS: Cheese, Moose, Sister; Food; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: aging; c15; dairy; diabetes; ketovlc; milk; pentadecanoic
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To: Buttons12

We’ve gotten it right from the farm, unpasteurized and everything.

Drinking raw milk is NOT the danger some would make it out to be.

Matter of fact, the homogenization process breaks down the fat into particles too small to separate out again.

There are people who think that that’s a problem because the size of the fat particles is so small that it can be absorbed right into the blood stream through the gut wall without being digested.


41 posted on 08/29/2024 9:42:13 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus”)
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To: Chickensoup

AMEN!

The way God created it is the way it should be eaten, cooking not included in that. Sometimes cooking is the best thing to do to some foods.


42 posted on 08/29/2024 9:43:40 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus”)
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To: logi_cal869
there is prolific evidence of the damage wrought by long term adherence to what ought be only a short term endeavor,

And yet, you fail to post a single link to it. And if you did, we would be treated to some junk science study worthy of a D if it was turned in to a middle school science class.

So far every single anti-keto person I have encountered has either been a big pharma shill or a vegan extremist.

After trying keto I now see every big carb meal as a big steaming pile of regret.

43 posted on 08/29/2024 9:58:38 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: jerod

Not true. It may be in the genes but eat slow carb diet 30g or less per day and it will not be a problem. And avoid all fake sugars. Fast regularly.

The problem is that most type 2’s are deceived by insulin.

I could have type 2, most of my people do. I just stay low carb.


44 posted on 08/29/2024 10:32:15 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: Lake Living

Thanks for the link.

What a fascinating interview.


45 posted on 08/29/2024 11:55:29 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus”)
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To: Buttons12
As for butter, it belongs in just about everything

I'm Carnivore and that statement is very TRUE! Using 2 to 3 lbs of Butter per month.

Carnivore... BEEF, BUTTER, BACON & EGGS!

46 posted on 08/29/2024 12:25:30 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: hopespringseternal
And yet, you fail to post a single link to it. And if you did, we would be treated to some junk science study worthy of a D if it was turned in to a middle school science class.

That right there is why I withdrew from my book project, highlighted in my comment,

Short answer: It’s an extreme band-aid for a problem borne of matters so convoluted that most people subconsciously use confirmation bias to avoid.
But I was inaccurate in my hit & run comment:

Some people do it consciously (case in point).

Just curious: Who will you blame when you not only qualify as a statistic, but are officially one? (that's rhetorical, but whatever; rant on /s)

47 posted on 08/29/2024 12:49:06 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869

If you can’t even provide a link to anything confirming your hit and run comments why do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

One thing I have noticed about the keto proponents: they actually understand the science behind it and speak to it. Instead of simply trusting authority figures with a clear conflict of interest who aren’t willing to actually explain anything.

I have yet to see anyone harmed by a ketogenic diet. To the contrary, having your weight, blood sugar, blood pressure, mental function and alertness stabilize is a wonderful thing.

Hard to understand how people are harming themselves when every indicator of good health is improving for them.


48 posted on 08/29/2024 2:40:05 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Chicory

Thank you for taking the time to summarize the video so well!


49 posted on 08/29/2024 2:49:11 PM PDT by AnonymousConservative (DO NOT send me sensitive info, I'm under surveillance by Domestic Intel http://www.AmericanStasi.com)
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To: hopespringseternal
I have yet to see anyone harmed by a ketogenic diet. To the contrary, having your weight, blood sugar, blood pressure, mental function and alertness stabilize is a wonderful thing.

Ok, I'll play. Except I'm going to demand of YOU the data to support YOUR rationale which, simply, is that eating NON keto is unhealthy.

Please cite the statistics which back up your corollary claim that eating NON keto was responsible for a public health crisis in the early/mid 20th century. Because ASSUREDLY they must have been in dire straits since the 'keto diet' hadn't yet been rediscovered...and those of my grandparents' era assuredly consumed those unhealthy carbs because they where CHEAP.

50 posted on 08/29/2024 2:55:48 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: AnonymousConservative

LOL! If I hadn’t, the whole thread would have been complaints about that!


51 posted on 08/29/2024 6:24:21 PM PDT by Chicory
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To: logi_cal869
Please cite the statistics which back up your corollary claim that eating NON keto was responsible for a public health crisis in the early/mid 20th century.

I never said that. That is your invented straw man.

You said keto is unhealthy today. That is just flat wrong.

Keto is not the only possible healthy diet, but it is a healthy diet.

What is unhealthy is eating highly processed, super high simple carb industrialized food continuously.

52 posted on 08/29/2024 6:42:07 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: jerod

Sugar bad, butter, heavy cream, whole milk, Steaks, coconut oil, olive oil, avocado oil and lightly with the starches.


53 posted on 08/29/2024 6:50:01 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: We should have set up ambushes...paraphrased)
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To: Ancesthntr

Thank you so much for explaining what you learned by having a heart attack! I will re-read it and take notes :D

I find it very discouraging that we have to learn so much to be able to counteract the doctors. My now-ex doctor totally pushed statins to me, even though I kept telling her that some of the side-effects were problems I already had.

Thanks again!


54 posted on 08/29/2024 6:50:34 PM PDT by Chicory
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To: hopespringseternal

Yes, you did. Just as I cited, just as you quoted. If keto is panacea and healthy, then surely eating NON keto is unhealthy.

That would be science. But, Ok. You undermine your own argument. An irony. /s

‘Strawman’, huh?

You literally put words in my metaphorical mouth with,

“You said keto is unhealthy today.”

I now revert yet again back to paragraph one in my original comment.

‘Round & ‘round we go. I really didn’t need validation for withdrawal of my book. You’re doing nothing to convince me to help others by completion and publishing.

To the contrary...

But keep up the rant if it pleases you (yet another irony).


55 posted on 08/29/2024 6:53:03 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: Flaming Conservative

For a while, I kept reading that farmers give low-fat milk to pigs to fatten them up, so I felt justified in avoiding what seemed to me to be watered-down milk!


56 posted on 08/29/2024 6:53:32 PM PDT by Chicory
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To: logi_cal869
If keto is panacea and healthy, then surely eating NON keto is unhealthy.

So if eating chicken is healthy, then eating beef is unhealthy?

Your words:

Additionally, keto originated from a treatment for children with seizures and there is prolific evidence of the damage wrought by long term adherence to what ought be only a short term endeavor

When you throw around words like "damage" sure sounds like you are calling keto unhealthy. Now you deny it. You come across like a narcissistic poser.

57 posted on 08/29/2024 7:21:35 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: hopespringseternal
So you can draw a corollary, but I can't? You sound like a lib.

Re 'keto'

and

So if eating chicken is healthy, then eating beef is unhealthy?

You do oxymoron very well. You clearly never looked up 'confirmation bias'. The irony is that it feeds the straw man mentality, yet ANOTHER irony.

I am clearly the enemy now, so why hold back?

I'm just enjoying another beer after noshing on my toasted, buttered garlicy sourdough heel, waiting...

58 posted on 08/29/2024 8:13:26 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: hopespringseternal
This was an entertaining validation of my prior decisions, but since the cat apparently got your short hairs and you've withdrawn, I will grant you this since you choose to prove my chapter on confirmation bias and other health-induced psychoses...and because I know that my initial comment was 100% accurate (and because I enjoy chess immensely):

In endurance athletes, 3.5 weeks on a ketogenic diet led to unfavorable effects on markers of bone modeling and remodeling (120).

Longer-term effects can include decreased bone mineral density, nephrolithiasis, cardiomyopathy, anemia, and neuropathy of the optic nerve (82, 121). Ketogenic diets have low long-term tolerability, and are not sustainable for many individuals (48, 49). Diets low in carbohydrate have also been associated with an increased risk of all-cause mortality (122), although recent data suggest that lower-carbohydrate diets can be linked to either higher or lower mortality risk, depending on the quality of the carbohydrate they contain and whether they rely more on animal protein and saturated fat or plant protein and unsaturated fat, respectively (123).

Conclusion

Ketogenic diets reduce seizure frequency in some individuals with drug-resistant epilepsy. These diets can also reduce body weight, although not more effectively than other dietary approaches over the long term or when matched for energy intake. Ketogenic diets can also lower blood glucose, although their efficacy typically wanes within the first few months. Very-low-carbohydrate diets are associated with marked risks. LDL-C can rise, sometimes dramatically. Pregnant women on such diets are more likely to have a child with a neural tube defect, even when supplementing folic acid. And these diets may increase chronic disease risk: Foods and dietary components that typically increase on ketogenic diets (eg, red meat, processed meat, saturated fat) are linked to an increased risk of CKD, cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes, and Alzheimer's disease, whereas intake of protective foods (eg, vegetables, fruits, legumes, whole grains) typically decreases. Current evidence suggests that for most individuals, the risks of such diets outweigh the benefits.

Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Weighing the Benefits Against the Risks

New Study Links Keto Diet to Severe Long-Term Health Risks

At the source there are 123 references to peruse; I expect that I'll either hear back from you in 60 seconds with an emotional retort, sometime next year...or never.

There is a lesson within this thread. The overarching question is whether anyone will figure it out and benefit...

...or whether this will be the epitaph of my health engagement in this forum.

I will sleep well in either respect.

59 posted on 08/29/2024 8:48:50 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: logi_cal869
lower-carbohydrate diets can be linked to either higher or lower mortality risk

That's just funny right there. What you have is a bunch of correlations with no effort at all put into determining causation. As a result what you get is the usual voodoo science that only amounts to dark, unsubstantiated warnings and appeals to authority.

All while accusing other people of confirmation bias.

Once you recognize the difference between someone who actually explains how the body works, why some food causes problems, why other food is better vs the "there be monsters here" and "everything we tell you is double plus good for you", once someone sees that they come to the understanding that people like you are just comical manipulators.

Your voodoo is gone because people can experience for themselves what good health feels like. When you are no longer seeing the doctor every couple of months for mysterious problems he can't solve, but instead he calls you saying it's time for your check up, which goes extremely well.

When you do go in for those checkups, you walk past people who are overweight and miserable who drag themselves along in obvious pain. All because they are in thrall to people like you whose diet and medical advice has never worked. That has caused an epidemic of obesity and diabetes over the last fifty years, yet you cling to the same broken advice because what is important to you is your own self importance. If you could muster enough humility to grasp how little you really know you might actually learn something.

60 posted on 08/30/2024 3:43:01 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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