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If keto is panacea and healthy, then surely eating NON keto is unhealthy.

So if eating chicken is healthy, then eating beef is unhealthy?

Your words:

Additionally, keto originated from a treatment for children with seizures and there is prolific evidence of the damage wrought by long term adherence to what ought be only a short term endeavor

When you throw around words like "damage" sure sounds like you are calling keto unhealthy. Now you deny it. You come across like a narcissistic poser.

So you can draw a corollary, but I can't? You sound like a lib.

Re 'keto'

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So if eating chicken is healthy, then eating beef is unhealthy?

You do oxymoron very well. You clearly never looked up 'confirmation bias'. The irony is that it feeds the straw man mentality, yet ANOTHER irony.

I am clearly the enemy now, so why hold back?

I'm just enjoying another beer after noshing on my toasted, buttered garlicy sourdough heel, waiting...

This was an entertaining validation of my prior decisions, but since the cat apparently got your short hairs and you've withdrawn, I will grant you this since you choose to prove my chapter on confirmation bias and other health-induced psychoses...and because I know that my initial comment was 100% accurate (and because I enjoy chess immensely):

In endurance athletes, 3.5 weeks on a ketogenic diet led to unfavorable effects on markers of bone modeling and remodeling (120).
Longer-term effects can include decreased bone mineral density, nephrolithiasis, cardiomyopathy, anemia, and neuropathy of the optic nerve (82, 121). Ketogenic diets have low long-term tolerability, and are not sustainable for many individuals (48, 49). Diets low in carbohydrate have also been associated with an increased risk of all-cause mortality (122), although recent data suggest that lower-carbohydrate diets can be linked to either higher or lower mortality risk, depending on the quality of the carbohydrate they contain and whether they rely more on animal protein and saturated fat or plant protein and unsaturated fat, respectively (123).
Conclusion
Ketogenic diets reduce seizure frequency in some individuals with drug-resistant epilepsy. These diets can also reduce body weight, although not more effectively than other dietary approaches over the long term or when matched for energy intake. Ketogenic diets can also lower blood glucose, although their efficacy typically wanes within the first few months. Very-low-carbohydrate diets are associated with marked risks. LDL-C can rise, sometimes dramatically. Pregnant women on such diets are more likely to have a child with a neural tube defect, even when supplementing folic acid. And these diets may increase chronic disease risk: Foods and dietary components that typically increase on ketogenic diets (eg, red meat, processed meat, saturated fat) are linked to an increased risk of CKD, cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes, and Alzheimer's disease, whereas intake of protective foods (eg, vegetables, fruits, legumes, whole grains) typically decreases. Current evidence suggests that for most individuals, the risks of such diets outweigh the benefits.

Ketogenic Diets and Chronic Disease: Weighing the Benefits Against the Risks

New Study Links Keto Diet to Severe Long-Term Health Risks

At the source there are 123 references to peruse; I expect that I'll either hear back from you in 60 seconds with an emotional retort, sometime next year...or never.

There is a lesson within this thread. The overarching question is whether anyone will figure it out and benefit...

...or whether this will be the epitaph of my health engagement in this forum.

I will sleep well in either respect.