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WEBB Telescope Discovers Mysterious “LITTLE RED DOTS” at Cosmic Dawn
The Debrief ^ | July 2, 2024 | AVI LOEB

Posted on 07/03/2024 9:53:50 AM PDT by Red Badger

One of the surprising discoveries of the Webb telescope involves an early population of compact red galaxies at redshift above 7, a time when the Universe was 20 times younger than it is today. The galaxies are redder than expected from their cosmological redshift, indicating additional reddening by a layer of dust.

Some of these galaxies contain as much mass in evolved stars as our own Milky Way galaxy. Nevertheless, they are a hundred times smaller in radius, of an order of a few hundred light years. These compact galaxies manifest an increase by a factor of a million in the number of stars per unit volume relative to the Milky Way.

If we were to reside in such a galaxy, the solar system’s Oort cloud would have been stripped to a percent of its current size by the gravitational tide of passing stars. These tiny red rubies in the sky are commonly dubbed ‘little red dots.’

The mass in stars needed to light up these red galaxies requires, in the context of the expected abundance of galaxies in the standard cosmological model, that they convert nearly all their gas into stars rapidly over the hundreds of millions of years available to them after the Big Bang. Such full conversion is unlikely, suggesting that a significant fraction of their light is contributed by a central supermassive black hole.

The existence of a black hole in the little red dots is supported by spectroscopic detection of broad emission lines, representing outflows of gas with a speed of up to a percent of the speed of light, thousands of kilometers per second, as expected if the outflow originated from the immediate vicinity of a black hole.

Nevertheless, no X-rays have been detected as of yet from these galaxies, as typically observed from quasars. The required mass of the black hole is above expectations based on the correlation between the mass of stars and black holes in the present-day universe. What could be the possible origin of these little red galaxies, which might be pregnant with overmassive black holes in their bellies?

On the day that I arrived at Harvard University thirty years ago, a brilliant young student from the Physics department named Daniel Eisenstein showed up in my office and asked whether I would accept him as a graduate student. I promptly agreed and defined a research project for the two of us to explore. It involved a new idea that I had about the origin of quasars, the most massive black holes at the centers of galaxies. Back then, in 1993, the earliest quasars were observed from the ‘young adult’ Universe at a third of its current age.

My idea for seeding quasars in the infant Universe stemmed from the realization that the size of galaxies is dictated by their spin. The smaller the spin is, the more compact their final disk, where cold gas is held against gravity by rotation. The amount of rotation is derived from the tide the galaxies experience as their matter turns around from cosmic expansion and starts to collapse into a gravitationally bound system. Since different galaxies are born in different environments, their level of spin would be different, reflecting variations in the external tide.

These variations result in a probability distribution of galactic spins that Daniel and I calculated in a 1995 paper. We showed that this spin distribution is almost independent of galaxy mass or formation time. In a follow-up paper, we argued that a low-spin galaxy from the tail of the spin distribution would naturally host a compact disk of gas with less angular momentum than a typical galaxy. The gas from this compact disk would drain more efficiently towards the sink of a central black hole, seeding a quasar.

In addition, because of its small size, the gaseous disk in a low-spin galaxy would form stars more rapidly. We, therefore, suggested that low-spin galaxies could be the progenitors of quasar black holes.

When my bright postdoc, Fabio Pacucci, alerted me to the puzzling properties of the little red dots discovered by the Webb telescope, I was immediately reminded of my papers with Daniel. Fabio and I plan to explore the connection between the little red dots and low-spin galaxies more thoroughly in a future paper.

The scientific literature is vast, and I do not expect my colleagues to remember a paper written thirty years ago. Those of us with a long scientific memory must continue to connect the dots, literally speaking in this context of the ‘little red dots.’

In the grand scheme of academia, most papers are forgotten. But the most rewarding aspect of pursuing scientific knowledge is that data from nature eventually leads us to the truth even if the underlying ideas were proposed decades ago and are forgotten by now.

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Avi Loeb is the head of the Galileo Project, founding director of Harvard University’s – Black Hole Initiative, director of the Institute for Theory and Computation at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, and the former chair of the astronomy department at Harvard University (2011-2020). He is a former member of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology and a former chair of the Board on Physics and Astronomy of the National Academies. He is the bestselling author of “Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth” and a co-author of the textbook “Life in the Cosmos,” both published in 2021. His new book, titled “Interstellar,” was published in August 2023.


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: astronomy; jwst; physics; science; stringtheory

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1 posted on 07/03/2024 9:53:50 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: MtnClimber; SunkenCiv; mowowie; SuperLuminal; Cottonbay

WEBB Ping!......................


2 posted on 07/03/2024 9:54:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

Blood splatter on lense from alien war battle


3 posted on 07/03/2024 9:55:20 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT back in 2006)
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To: Red Badger
WinRed.
4 posted on 07/03/2024 9:55:31 AM PDT by NavyShoe
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To: Red Badger
Those red dots are from the doppler effect of the invasion fleet slowing down as it approaches Earth.

-PJ

5 posted on 07/03/2024 9:56:55 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Red Badger

The Universe is far older than the current models imply. They just don’t want to give up on the numbers and try something else...

Careers and funding are on the line... The hell with accuracy...


6 posted on 07/03/2024 10:04:11 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Red Badger
One of the surprising discoveries of the Webb telescope involves an early population of compact red galaxies at redshift above 7, a time when the Universe was 20 times younger than it is today one-twentieth its current age.

Regards,

7 posted on 07/03/2024 10:11:10 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Red Badger

It’s a long, long, journey to get to the other side, so I’d have to with Chickenpox.


8 posted on 07/03/2024 10:17:18 AM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". 🔴 Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with MARS ♂️, aka every man)
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To: Red Badger; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
[singing] Here comes Mary, here comes Lee, I know just what they want to see, I won't let them stretch their necks...
Thanks Red Badger.


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9 posted on 07/03/2024 10:18:36 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: Dead Corpse
The Universe is far older than the current models imply.

I agree. I've believed -- for a long time now -- that the universe is infinite and eternal. It's always been here, and always will be. It likely also goes through some form of "seasons" of birth, growth and death, just like everything else around us.

10 posted on 07/03/2024 10:19:18 AM PDT by AnglePark (My opinion is the most worthless thing I own.)
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To: AnglePark

Same. The final piece in that puzzle for me was Hawking’s work on the evaporation of hyper-gravitational phenomena... Black holes.

Space/time perturbation from local frame dragging causing quantum fluctuation that creates virtual particle pairs that release real particles that eventually become hydrogen... and the process starts all over again...

The Universe recycles. The “expansion” we are seeing is just the twisting and turning of space/time in it’s natural state and the CBR we see is this quantum genesis of particles in real space.

No dark anything needed. No big crunch/bang needed. Distant red-shift and apparent missing mass is also in the above recycling process once you cut out the part of there needing to be a defined “beginning”...

The Creator set a mighty thing in motion and there is no reason to assume it will ever stop.


11 posted on 07/03/2024 10:45:40 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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To: Red Badger
The distances to anything outside our solar system are just staggering. The distance to the nearest star beyond the sun is 4+ light years away from us. If we could travel at the speed of light a mission to there and back might be do-able, but I'm not sure what we'd really learn.

And the distance to the nearest other galaxy is 2.5 million light years away!

We're gonna need a faster spaceship!

12 posted on 07/03/2024 11:19:24 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: libertylover

We need SPICE!.......................


13 posted on 07/03/2024 11:22:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

Who cares?


14 posted on 07/03/2024 11:25:46 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: AnglePark
I agree. I've believed -- for a long time now -- that the universe is infinite....

It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that there likely is no end to the universe. But if there was, what's on the other side of that furthest edge?

15 posted on 07/03/2024 11:31:53 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: George from New England

wrong, should be green...


16 posted on 07/03/2024 11:37:27 AM PDT by steveo
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To: AnglePark
And after that question, my thoughts always go back to where did God come from? Something has to come from something.

The universe was created by God. So what created God and what prompted Him to create a universe?

17 posted on 07/03/2024 11:42:19 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: alexander_busek
"One of the surprising discoveries of the Webb telescope involves an early population of compact red galaxies at redshift above 7, a time when the Universe was 20 times younger than it is today one-twentieth its current age."

I was wondering what in the hell they were trying to say.

18 posted on 07/03/2024 11:45:25 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Dead Corpse
"The Universe is far older than the current models imply. They just don’t want to give up on the numbers and try something else..."

There is good evidence for the current estimate. If there is better evidence for a different age then opinion will move. It doesn't work off hunches.

19 posted on 07/03/2024 11:46:47 AM PDT by mlo
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To: mlo
This isn't a hunch. It's the only thing that fits observations...

Unless you have a box of dark matter in the back of your closet?

If the only place you find evidence of DM/DE is a billion LY away, then what you are looking at isn't dark-whatever TM, it's an artifact that builds up over time and distance.

20 posted on 07/03/2024 1:29:35 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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