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What is wrong with libertarianism is more culture than anything else, imo.

We have no regard for natural law. We don't think we need to regard consequences, because our society has created a lot of hedge around the prevention of consequences.

I'm a libertarian-conservative. I believe in minimal government with government only doing what the individual cannot readily do on his own.

Give people good information, so they can't say they were never told, and let them live their lives. If it comes out badly for them, that's on them.

1 posted on 05/25/2024 2:09:16 PM PDT by Jonty30
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Conservatism is limited government, there is no need to bring in the fantasy libertarians, for one thing the most impossible thing for them to have under their social liberalism goals (and successes) is limited small government.

Social liberalism is obviously very, very easy to accomplish as we can see, and the more of it we get and the less socially conservative America becomes, then the more it results in massive and all controlling government.


2 posted on 05/25/2024 2:18:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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The people who want to be left alone will always lose to the people who want to rule.

Either you rule, or you will be ruled. Choose.


3 posted on 05/25/2024 2:21:01 PM PDT by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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I call myself a, ‘ConservaTarian.’ It’s basically a Libertarian without all the dope smoking. ;)

I agree with what you said about small Government (that Horse is out of the barn and into the hills!) and what the Author said about, ‘leave me the hell alone!’

I can manage my own life just fine, Thanks! :)


4 posted on 05/25/2024 2:21:59 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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True. But I hope they vote trump anyway. The more votes the better.


10 posted on 05/25/2024 2:41:29 PM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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"Give people good information, so they can't say they were never told, and let them live their lives."

Many libertarians are against the FDA, CDC, EPA, etc. and yet those are the agencies tasked with giving people good information.

We all know that all of those organizations have been compromised. The libertarian solution is to get rid of them and allow industries to "self-regulate". That path has also led to grave failures, deaths, and destruction.

This is why I think the libertarian philosophy is wrongheaded. It is too simplistic. The constant refrain "Well that's Econ 101" or the NAP are just two examples of an unserious political philosophy.

14 posted on 05/25/2024 3:02:32 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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In my opinion this article is nonsense.


15 posted on 05/25/2024 3:12:52 PM PDT by devere
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“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” --- John Adams

I wasn't raised with religion, but I understand and agree with Adams.
20 posted on 05/25/2024 3:17:25 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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What Libertarians get right: neither the Ds or Rs actually stand for anything and voting for either and expecting change of any kind is pure madness.


25 posted on 05/25/2024 3:25:55 PM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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Small "l" libertarians is what our founders were.   Where the Libertarian Party gets it wrong is that it is a hodge·podge of disillusioned Democrats and disenfranchised Republicans, mixed in with clowns and jokers.   They can phrase a platform plank that on the surface can appeal to either side on the surface yet in practice the outcome would be a disaster.

I remember one of the questions to identify political bent for the Nolan Chart was, "should peaceful people be allowed cross borders freely?"   As our Founding Fathers understood it, the answer is a resounding, Yes!   Yet in our day and age, who will be the arbiter of determining who is peaceful and who will wake up and recognize an invasion?   Just to let you know how invested in this I was, I once sat next to David Nolan at a $100.00 dinner.

The fact that every ballot within the LP convention must have the choice "NOTA" (none of the above), means an inevitable schism is always just around the corner.   A schism like there was after 9/11 when those in the Libertarian Party who saw the attacks by Islam was initiation of force (thus requiring a principled libertarian response), and those that thought the use of force by Islam was retaliation for initiation of force by the the US (Paulists, etc.) against Islam, caused half of the the LP to grab their balls and go home.

28 posted on 05/25/2024 3:28:24 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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Agreed.


37 posted on 05/25/2024 4:19:20 PM PDT by A strike (There is no tyranny that cannot be justified by 'climate change')
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Losertarians.


39 posted on 05/25/2024 4:25:20 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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with government only doing what the individual cannot readily do on his own

Can "the individual" suppress communist revolution, stop mobs from burning down cities, punish rapists and murderers, end usury, and protect the water and the air from spread of harmful substances?

I joined the LP in 1972. I voted for Ed Clark in 1980. I paid dues until 1988.

A perfect society for white men with IQs of >115.

The whole thing is a stupid fantasy.

45 posted on 05/25/2024 4:38:27 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Assez de mensonges et de phrases)
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If you want a good laugh, ask a libertarian how private fire and police departments work.


46 posted on 05/25/2024 4:51:09 PM PDT by sergeantdave (AI training involves stealing content from creators and not paying them a penny)
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I am actually angry at this idiot that wrote this article for attempting to equate Ayn Rand with Karl Marx.   Ayn Rand suffered under the Russian Revolution and therefore was vehemently against collectivism of any kind.   "The Virtue of Selfishness" as the book was called was not advocating greed, but "enlightened self interest" meaning that every person should be properly remunerated for the work he does.

This guy needs to read all four fiction works:

We the Living. 1936 & 1959.
Anthem. 1938 & 1946.
The Fountainhead. 1943.
Atlas Shrugged. 1957.
I have and I'm better for it.   This is how against Marxism and all of the other collectivist subsets.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.

47 posted on 05/25/2024 4:58:34 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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So I looked up this author and it seems he is a deep stater!

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Activities and societies: Served as managing editor, copy editor, writer, photographer and artist for various college, professional and non-profit publications.

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48 posted on 05/25/2024 4:59:47 PM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! )
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Mankind used to be busy in the individual need to survive, to eat and become comfortable.

After everything achieved by hard work, it is the policies of the lazy that resulted in all the unimaginable BS today.

Underfed, uncomfortable people do actually channel their time and effort to support themselves. However, when people start living in a world with little occupation in obtaining food themselves, they become more disconnected from reality. Today those people reject right, wrong, or fairness in their need for greed.


56 posted on 05/25/2024 6:32:46 PM PDT by Jumper
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Whatever happened to “rugged individualism”?
Whatever happened to “self-determination”?

America, founded on those principles, has whored berself out to the “we can take ccare of you because we know better” crowd.

That krewe has now become hre “ whadayaneedthatfir,” krewe.

That krewe has, also become, the “youcantsaythat” krewe.

None of this happened without the SILRENT acceptance by some, and the vociferous threats of others.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE “HECK NO, I AIN’T BUYING THAT! NOW SHADDUP!”


63 posted on 05/26/2024 5:37:23 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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“minimal government” is one thing.

Acting like maniacs is another.

I never thought of Libertarians as bafoons is what they are.

Don’t agree with us...conservative republicans...GO YOUR OWN WAY...WITHOUT ME.


64 posted on 05/26/2024 5:48:28 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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I learned something that was surprising recently:

LIBERATARIANS WANT OPEN BORDERS!!!!!!

How nutsy is that??????

I can/t believe that I once thought they had sone sense,


66 posted on 05/26/2024 5:55:24 AM PDT by Maris Crane
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“Politics is downstream from culture.”


87 posted on 05/27/2024 2:38:27 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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