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To: Jonty30

Conservatism is limited government, there is no need to bring in the fantasy libertarians, for one thing the most impossible thing for them to have under their social liberalism goals (and successes) is limited small government.

Social liberalism is obviously very, very easy to accomplish as we can see, and the more of it we get and the less socially conservative America becomes, then the more it results in massive and all controlling government.


2 posted on 05/25/2024 2:18:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

Libertarianism is smaller government than conservatism, so it has a place.

As I said, most self-proclaimed libertarians are not libertarians. They want to do what they want, but they want socialism to save them when it goes wrong. It’s an impossible philosophy to maintain, because you are trying to hold opposite style philosophies in your mind simultaneously.

A true libertarian is left to his own devices to live the live he wants and be responsible for himself.

The Founding Fathers were to the right of conservatives, because they wanted a person to be the most basic form of government and they wrote the Constitution that way.


5 posted on 05/25/2024 2:22:27 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: ansel12
In a way, libertarianism is more fantastical than even communism. At least communists know that typical human behavior is not copacetic with the anarcho-syndicalist end point of communist theory. They believe there needs to be a period of "dictatorship of the proletariat" in order to retrain humans to become good communists. (But read "The Gulag Archipelago" to see how that turned out.)

The libertarians couldn't stomach a "dictatorship of the non-entrepreneurial" and so they are left with a vision of an anarcho-capitalist or minarchist dreamland that most humans couldn't survive and wouldn't choose even if they could.

12 posted on 05/25/2024 2:57:53 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (Kafka was an optimist.)
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To: ansel12

There are various kinds of libertarians, and the more reasonable ones, though we disagree with them on some things, could be within the Big Tent. Other than the Mises Caucus, the LP is far away from that.


88 posted on 05/27/2024 2:40:14 PM PDT by TBP (Decent people cannot fathom the amoral cruelty of the Biden regime.)
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