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To: ansel12

Libertarianism is smaller government than conservatism, so it has a place.

As I said, most self-proclaimed libertarians are not libertarians. They want to do what they want, but they want socialism to save them when it goes wrong. It’s an impossible philosophy to maintain, because you are trying to hold opposite style philosophies in your mind simultaneously.

A true libertarian is left to his own devices to live the live he wants and be responsible for himself.

The Founding Fathers were to the right of conservatives, because they wanted a person to be the most basic form of government and they wrote the Constitution that way.


5 posted on 05/25/2024 2:22:27 PM PDT by Jonty30 (He hunted a mammoth for me, just because I said I was hungry. He is such a good friend. )
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To: Jonty30

As that post pointed out, Libertarianism makes small government impossible.

The libertarian’s social liberalism is obviously easy to attain as we can see and are forced to endure today, but it makes small government impossible.


7 posted on 05/25/2024 2:27:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Jonty30

“most self-proclaimed libertarians are not libertarians. They want to do what they want, but they want socialism to save them when it goes wrong.”

Got an example?


32 posted on 05/25/2024 4:02:55 PM PDT by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2024... RETURN OF THE JEDI. )
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To: Jonty30

“”””most self-proclaimed libertarians are not libertarians. They want to do what they want, but they want socialism to save them when it goes wrong. It’s an impossible philosophy to maintain, because you are trying to hold opposite style philosophies in your mind simultaneously.””””

The individual Libertarian would correctly argue that he personally doesn’t do (at least while he is still able to function if he is using) that and that his party opposes that.

The real issue is their agenda and how it creates a voter base that does lead to what you are saying, the LP agenda breaks people, breaks communities, breaks cities, breaks individualism and commonsense, and Christian influence and creates big government voters for more socialism.

We are seeing the fruits of social liberalism/libertarianism and it is making life in America unbearable and enabling the worst of the left.


40 posted on 05/25/2024 4:28:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Jonty30

OK, I’ll bite...
All republicans are conservatives, true or false?

There are 2 kinds of libertarians..
The capital L libertarians, your typical ron paul nut job types, and...
small l libertarians, which are simply pissed off conservatives.
If the libertarian party changed it’s views on abortion and immigration, I would be all in.

My somewhat standard response is...
Where in that pesky constitution thingie, is the fed granted this right?
Most of what the fed does today is not a right assigned to it by the constitution.
Damn the lawyers and the judges.


67 posted on 05/26/2024 6:42:49 AM PDT by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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