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In 2009, a Massive Star Vanished. JWST Might Have Figured Out What Happened.
Science Alert ^ | 05 October 2023 | By BRIAN KOBERLEIN, UNIVERSE TODAY

Posted on 10/05/2023 11:56:59 AM PDT by Red Badger

Illustration of how a failed supernova can become a black hole. (P. Jeffries/STScI/NASA/ESA) In 2009 a giant star 25 times more massive than the Sun simply…vanished.

Okay, it wasn't quite that simple. It underwent a period of brightening, increasing in luminosity to a million Suns, just as if it was ready to explode into a supernova.

But then it faded rather than exploding. And when astronomers tried to see the star, using the Large Binocular Telescope (LBT), Hubble, and the Spitzer space telescope, they couldn't see anything.

The star, known as N6946-BH1, is now considered a failed supernova. The BH1 in its name is due to the fact that astronomers think the star collapsed to become a black hole rather than triggering a supernova. But that has been conjecture.

All we've known for sure is that it brightened for a time then grew too dim for our telescopes to observe. But that has changed, thanks to the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST).

The new study, published on the arXiv, analyzes data gathered by JWST's NIRCam and MIRI instruments. It shows a bright infrared source that appears to be a remnant dust shell surrounding the position of the original star. This would be consistent with material ejected from the star as it brightened rapidly.

It could also be an infrared glow from material infalling into the black hole, though that seems less likely.

Images of BH1 show three sources, not one. (Beasor et al 2023) Surprisingly, the team also found not one remnant object, but three.

This makes the failed supernova model less likely. Earlier observations of N6946-BH1 were a blend of these three sources since the resolution wasn't high enough to distinguish them.

So a more likely model is that the 2009 brightening was caused by a stellar merger. What appeared to be a bright massive star was a star system that brightened as two stars merged, then faded.

While the data leans toward the merger model, it can't rule out the failed supernova model. And that makes our understanding of supernovae and stellar mass black holes more complicated.

We know from black hole mergers observed by LIGO and other gravitational wave observatories that stellar-mass black holes exist and are relatively common. So some massive stars do become black holes.

But whether they become supernovae first is still in question. Regular supernovae can have enough remnant mass to become a black hole, but it's hard to imagine how the largest stellar black holes could have formed after supernovae.

N6946-BH1 is in a galaxy 22 million light-years away, so the fact that JWST can distinguish multiple sources is impressive. It also gives astronomers hope that similar stars will be observed in time.

With more data, we should be able to distinguish between stellar mergers and true failed supernovae, which will help us understand the last stages of stars as they move toward becoming stellar-mass black holes.

This article was originally published by Universe Today. Read the original article.


TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Astronomy; History; Science
KEYWORDS: arxiv; astronomy; blackhole; blackholemergers; briankoberlein; darkenergy; darkforce; darkmatter; jameswebb; jwst; ligo; miri; n6946bh1; nircam; physics; science; spacetelescope; speedofdark; stellarmerger; stringtheory; supernova; webbtelescope

1 posted on 10/05/2023 11:56:59 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: MtnClimber; SunkenCiv; SuperLuminal

Supernova Ping!....................


2 posted on 10/05/2023 11:57:36 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

“Give me another shot of this and I won’t be afraid of a supernova” - Sulu


3 posted on 10/05/2023 12:07:26 PM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!)
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To: Red Badger
They finally found it. It was there all along.
They pulled the refrigerator back form the wall and voilà — there it was!

4 posted on 10/05/2023 12:08:14 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (Lord, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Red Badger
Just goes to show that the vaunted scientists didn't know what they thought they knew.

True science is a process of observing and learning from the observation, not consensus with agendas or preconceptions.

5 posted on 10/05/2023 12:21:17 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Red Badger

Fascinating!


6 posted on 10/05/2023 12:26:34 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: Red Badger

“...increasing in luminosity to a million Suns...”

Makes you realize just how insignificant we are. If that happened to our Sun, Earth would be incinerated quicker than popcorn burned in a microwave. And smell even worse.


7 posted on 10/05/2023 12:34:16 PM PDT by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: moovova

Every planet in the Solar System would be vaporised....................


8 posted on 10/05/2023 12:36:09 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Simple translation: We don’t have a clue what happened. It isn’t covered in our models. But you have to treat us like we’re infallible anyhow and give us more money so we can figure out yet another thing we are clueless about.


9 posted on 10/05/2023 12:40:35 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Red Badger
A massive star who vanished:


10 posted on 10/05/2023 12:41:00 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: central_va

he needs a crash diet.....................


11 posted on 10/05/2023 12:46:38 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: central_va

Good grief, the guy has been dealing with throat cancer since 2015.


12 posted on 10/05/2023 12:48:03 PM PDT by Fury
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To: Red Badger

For an old, old Marine and physicist, this stuff from JWST is like romance with Barbara Eden...

The stuff of fantasies...

Hoping I can hang on till 103rd birthday (13 more years) with all the great astrophysics on the horizon...


13 posted on 10/05/2023 12:55:53 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is the next Sam Adams when we so desperately need him)
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To: Red Badger

I didn’t even notice how long has it really been since it vanished?

How many light years?


14 posted on 10/05/2023 1:45:57 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: NWFree

22 million light years means that’s been gone for 22 million years.

Welcome to 2023


15 posted on 10/05/2023 1:47:08 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: central_va

OMG - he’s a Fathead


16 posted on 10/05/2023 1:48:19 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: Red Badger

This is the lousy thing about space exploration

They’re so far away by the time you find out it’s *really* old news.


17 posted on 10/05/2023 1:58:14 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: Red Badger

Better pics of a 22 million year old star than a current fuzzy UFO.

Why is that?


18 posted on 10/05/2023 2:01:37 PM PDT by NWFree (Sigma male 🤪)
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To: Red Badger; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks Red Badger. The Rolling Stones predicted this with their song "Star Star".


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19 posted on 10/06/2023 7:27:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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