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Should women be banned from the armed forces? If so, why? ["inherent biological differences...the biggest factor is our biological programming to be protective of women"]
quora.com ^ | Jan 6, 2023 | Beni Habzay Former [Isreali] Infantry soldier

Posted on 09/23/2023 1:12:35 PM PDT by daniel1212

Yes! And I [the author] say this as someone who served in an army that boasts about its female soldiers.

So I hope that even if you disagree with me, you'll bear with me and read till the end…

FACT TIME

* The Israeli defense forces stopped using actual female combat soldiers after 1948. This was when they noticed that coed combat units suffered close to 50% higher casualty rates than all male units, and were worlds less effective when it came to mission completion.

* Due to this fact, women were barred from all combat roles in the IDF until several co-ed units were created in 1990 at the behest of progressive politicians.

* The remaining co-ed infantry units in the IDF are purely ornamental.

The males who joined these units join them because they couldn't cut it to be in the regular combat units, the females who join these units are the cream of the crop and still are outperformed by the substandard males.

I could go on and on about the inherent biological differences making men stronger and more durable than women, but at the end of the day, the biggest factor is our biological programming to be protective of women, not the fact that we can lift more than they do.

If a tribe or a village loses half its male population in a war, they can bounce back. But if that same tribe or village loses half of their female population, then they will not survive the next generation. I would even make the case that man's desire to protect his mother, his wife, his children and grandchildren born and unborn; are our biggest driving factors for putting ourselves out there and doing it dangerous job because it needs to be done.


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To: Salvavida

This fairly recent allowance of women in combat units is minuscule and has very little to do yet with how women destroyed the military.

It wasn’t the change to allowing combat arms that caused all this, it was the opening up of the military to them.


81 posted on 09/23/2023 5:02:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: daniel1212

1. The Armed Forces operate on a fixed budget.

2. Men make more cost-efficient soldiers (Marines, etc) than women do.

You do the math.

How many women play in the NFL?


82 posted on 09/23/2023 5:44:35 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: ansel12

That argument isn’t going to sway the citizenry that elects their representatives in Congress. It won’t even work amongst conservatives. It’s a dead issue unless the Lord blesses us with a 3rd Awakening.


83 posted on 09/23/2023 5:46:27 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: daniel1212

Is the kitchen under attack? *dodges projectiles*


84 posted on 09/23/2023 5:50:35 PM PDT by nonliberal (Z.)
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To: Salvavida

First, we here at this site need to know what the problem is which is what the discussion was about.

You don’t even seem to know or care what the problem is, I don’t know what your posts are supposed to be, just some excuse to argue I guess.


85 posted on 09/23/2023 5:51:16 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
It wasn’t the change to allowing combat arms that caused all this, it was the opening up of the military to them

And unlike as you meant it, "Them" is the PC pronoun. For speaking of which: Leaked Veterans Affairs training video promotes abortion, suggests men can get pregnant 9/23/2023, 7:55:02 PM · by lowbridge · 3 replies Fox News ^ | September 20, 2023 | Lindsay Kornick A leaked Department of Veteran Affairs video showed efforts to promote abortions and more "medically accurate" terminology such as "person who is pregnant" over pregnant women. A "Reproductive Health Training" video from April 2023 advised staffers on how to counsel veterans considering abortion. Before discussing counseling procedures, the video began with a "note" on language that clarified, "Not all people who seek abortions identify as women." Another note read, "’Person who is pregnant’ is inclusive and preferred to ‘pregnant woman.’" "When ‘women’ is used in this presentation series, it’s because the studies cited only included ciswomen," the video also stated..

86 posted on 09/23/2023 6:02:59 PM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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To: ansel12

Good luck with your project. FR became irrelevant when it didn’t martial the power of the state boards to win the county fights.


87 posted on 09/23/2023 6:04:26 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: Salvavida

“””Good luck with your project. FR became irrelevant when it didn’t martial the power of the state boards to win the county fights.”””

I remember you now, you make a lot of goofy posts.


88 posted on 09/23/2023 6:16:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: daniel1212

Many decades ago I was stationed at a Strategic Air Command base. There were three females stationed there at the time I arrived. All three were nurses. One was dating a major who was a senior pilot. The other two were dating each other.


89 posted on 09/23/2023 6:47:08 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: one guy in new jersey
1 Corinthians 11:3

New International Version

But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[a] and the head of Christ is God.

90 posted on 09/23/2023 7:07:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: one guy in new jersey
1 Corinthians 11:3

New International Version

But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[a] and the head of Christ is God.

91 posted on 09/23/2023 7:07:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212; kenmcg; airborne; redfreedom; ansel12; Yo-Yo
I am not good at stating my positions in a few sentences, so here is the essay I post in December.

Social Engineering Defeats Combat Capabilities

Obama’s defense department announcement on December 3 of 2015 about women in combat following repeal of DADT demonstrates attachment to a political ideology fueled by arrogance and reinforced by premeditated ignorance. The defense secretary Ash Carter’s supposed managing any long period of study and vigorous debate sought only those mutually supportive creatures that have metastasized throughout the military to serve a social agenda bringing future needless devastation.

Most of the points highlighted about women in combat arose first when the decision was made to do away with DADT. Subsequently, the LGBTQ and whatever communities were invited into the mainstream of military operations. In the case of DADT, the fervor driving a delusional Congress and Administration found comfort from a fallacious study conclusion which showed supposed support for their decision using populations which included garrison and base housing personnel. However, the trigger pullers at the core of military operations rejected the idea.

The foundational comfort for this approach harked back on dubious scientific credibility. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association (APA) decided to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). Removal followed a two-year campaign Newsweek described as ongoing disruptive, chaotic attacks on psychiatrists and physiologists. Yet throughout these disruptive attacks, no academic papers appeared at conferences refuting any research previously done. Eventually onslaughts forced sufficient abstentions, under-votes, and apprehensive responses for a third of APA’s 17,000 plus membership to approve removal.

After this decision, activists targeted leading individual researchers such as Dr. David Reuben, and Masters and Johnson to ensure perpetual sanctity for the APA action. No research papers would again arise to confirm initial therapy success rates of 30% to 60 %, substantiating that 7 of 10 homosexuals could eventually walk away from the lifestyle. Persistent activism over decades enabled ubiquitous infiltration of academia thereby ensuring pre-ordained theses, approved flexibility in research designs, suitable human data points, and enchanting statistical enhancements. Psychology and Psychiatry chose to relinquish scientific rigor for popular societal and political acclaim.

Neither decision was compatible with combat operations that too often demand unpredictable and unimaginable endurance and brutality to achieve victory. Only the highest physical abilities and most severe restrictions on human behaviors and interactions can foster the traditionally defined high morale, good order and discipline, and unit cohesion required. Resorting to war for national defense entails the ultimate Olympics of conflict occurring at the bleeding edge of existence where the unbelievable must become the possible.

Human sexuality, and therefore LGBTQ behaviors and women, simply cannot intrude into this sub-culture where only those displaying the greatest savagely can hope to win. Particularly regarding women, national defense compels the highest in physical achievements where no excuse exists for merging men and women into war environments which are more severe than any found in the segregated Olympic competitions every four years. Certainly, that point becomes obvious with the controversy over transgender females competing in women’s sports.

Combat forms personnel into rigid, task-oriented units. They then descend into a squalid cacophony of shrieking, cursing, sobbing, crashing dissonance to orchestrate the killing of other humans under a discipline which should not allow for neither hate nor joy. These people continuously face extraordinary mental and physical stress and survive by acquiring the wisdom of wild animals that live in the moment without conveniences for eating, sleeping, resting, or other bodily functions. At the point of collision, they undertake operations requiring sacrificial, primitive, and intimate actions. They must display a noble fidelity to each other despite environments that are inherently chaotic, barbaric, and brittle. Overcoming within this alternate reality requires trained killers subject to a totalitarian leadership and narrow focus unimaginable for those who accept human sexuality in its now many varied forms and always see an opportunity for the social alchemy popular in civilian life.

The regimental combat teams for infantry, mechanized, and armored units and special forces units are now the playthings of bureaucrats committed to equal opportunity and affirmative action. They are dismissive of warriors enduring the carnage imperative for triumph. Institutional memories no longer exist for fighting ferocious, shrewd enemies such as the Germans, Japanese, Chinese, and North Vietnamese, who utilized a full array of modern weapons. If one notes the ribbons on any senior officer’s uniform, they show they fought only Arabs that Israelis beat three times at 20 to 1 odds.

Such people now question the necessity for standards which do not dismiss inferior female physical performance, or the psychological degradation of units forced to incorporate LGBTQ and feminist agendas. Social engineering that amalgamates women and these agendas has become the overarching imperative to which all operational capabilities must submit.

Women can serve in many rolls, but do not belong at the pointy end of the spear and should not be holding the spear to the extent they intrude into the fellowship of combat arms which ultimately depend upon savagery and physical strength for victory. LGBTQ behaviors simply have no place in our military where sexual extravagance breaks down unit cohesion.

As this tragedy unfolds, I will remember the quote that, “Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf”. A lot of good men are going to have to die in years to come to cover up the abandonment of the military as the ultimate meritocracy. The uniforms have become costumes and the few true Americans who are deluded into enlisting will be cannon fodder for maintaining the DOD social agendas.

This tragedy of women in combat proceeding endorsement of LGBTQ+ behaviors provide another reason I now always council people to never enter the armed forces. In my wife’s and my families eight men volunteered and served over three generations, but never again.

Jordan Peterson: It’s ideology vs. science in psychology’s war on boys and men The coup of the American Psychological Association undertaken by the ideologues is now complete

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jordan-peterson-its-ideology-vs-science-in-psychologys-war-on-boys-and-men

How LGBTQ+ Activists Got “Homosexuality” out of the DSM

https://daily.jstor.org/how-lgbtq-activists-got-homosexuality-out-of-the-dsm/

Homosexuality and Sexual Orientation Disturbance: Proposed Change in DSM-II, 6th Printing, page 44

http://www.torahdec.org/Downloads/DSM-II_Homosexuality_Revision.pdf

The APA Decision

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+APA+decision+December+1973%3A+declassification+of+homosexuality+as...-a094598255

Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal

http://traditionalvalues.org/content/article/30884/Exposed:%20The%20Myth%20That%20Psychiatry%20Has%20Proven%20That%20Homosexual%20Behavior%20Is%20Normal

Will Hamas place benches to help female IDF soldiers?

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/226508

'Integrating women into combat is a colossal failure'

israelnationalnews.com

A retired Marine 3-star general explains 'critical military theory'

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/critical-military-theory/

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder'

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4135443/posts

narrative about women in combat

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/pings

The Rise of Wokeness in the Military

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-rise-of-wokeness-in-the-military/?utm_campaign=imprimis&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=221718031&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9Xjuto2_1WriIUkx_jdk5QElOyYdkBwGxMMkkh6ee4CS7GbXf2tgYusFIUStVlDE0NXaM476gNPe1X9X4ZeztsOok4-Q&utm_content=221718031&utm_source=hs_email

Woke military: Lt. Col. calls cops on mom concerned about LGBTQ indoctrination

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4115099/posts

Pentagon manual details rules for transgender military personnel

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/19/pentagon-manual-details-rules-for-transgender-military-personnel.html

Exclusive: Army Training Says Soldiers Must Shower with Transgender Persons of Opposite Sex

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/07/exclusive-army-training-says-soldiers-must-shower-transgender-persons-opposite-sex/

Lieutenant David Nartker must be Court-Martialed

http://usdefensewatch.com/2016/04/lieutenant-david-nartker-must-be-court-martialed/

Everything wrong with the Biden military in one paragraph

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/everything_wrong_with_the_biden_military_in_one_paragraph_.html

Military Service by Transgender Persons and Persons with Gender Dysphoria: An Implementation Handbook

https://prhome.defense.gov/Portals/52/Documents/MRA_Docs/MPP/DoD%20TG%20Handbook%20%209-4-20.pdf?ver=2020-09-18-084002-300#:~:text=The%202018%20policy%201%20titled%20"Military%20Service%20by,policy%20for%20those%20Service%20members%20who%20entered%20the

The disastrous Woke trend in Biden’s military puts Americans at grave risk

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/05/the_disastrous_woke_trend_in_bidens_military_puts_americans_at_grave_risk.html

People Sleep Peacefully in Their Beds

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/11/07/rough-men/

Air Force Academy Cadets Don’t Know What Their Oath to the Constitution Means

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/catherinesalgado/2023/04/14/air-force-academy-cadets-dont-know-what-their-oath-to-the-constitution-means-n1687416

Air Force Academy Touts New Program To Combat Politicization In The Military

https://dailycaller.com/2023/04/12/air-force-academy-touts-new-program-to-combat-politicization-in-the-military/

92 posted on 09/23/2023 7:58:16 PM PDT by Retain Mike ( Sat Cong)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus III
For the Chicoms, Islam, etc, people (men and women) are just property, commodities, material.

The Chinese would never put women anywhere near combat. They hold very traditional gender roles. They still call homosexuality "hooliganism" and you can forget about trannies, especially in the military.

its hard for some people to accept - but WE are the (neo) Marxists now.

93 posted on 09/23/2023 9:25:33 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: ansel12

None more goofy than what you propose.


94 posted on 09/23/2023 10:27:15 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: Retain Mike

You may as well post an hour-long video that we aren’t going to watch.


95 posted on 09/24/2023 2:21:36 AM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“They get infections.”

Can’t even imagine having a raging UTI on the battlefield. It’s bad enough on a cruise ship. 😏


96 posted on 09/24/2023 3:37:43 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam ("Normal" is never coming back. But Jesus is.)
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To: Allegra; montanajoe
Not barred from the military but certain MOS’s in the combat arms should not be open to them...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplite

97 posted on 09/24/2023 4:06:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212

We can talk about what’s best for military preparedness all we want. The question is, what are we going to do about it?


98 posted on 09/24/2023 4:16:55 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Will whoever keeps asking if this country can get any more insane please stop?)
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To: Retain Mike
A lot of good men are going to have to die in years to come to cover up the abandonment of the military as the ultimate meritocracy. The uniforms have become costumes and the few true Americans who are deluded into enlisting will be cannon fodder for maintaining the DOD social agendas.

A substantive post, thanks, and the whole of it flows from advanced idolatry. (Romans 1) You could have added Negative effects of homosexual relations (primarily, also of heterosexual fornication): Physical, Psychological, Financial - and Spiritual to your list of links. Google won't.

99 posted on 09/24/2023 4:29:53 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
We can talk about what’s best for military preparedness all we want. The question is, what are we going to do about it?

For one thing, you can better unify and equip the army of conservatives - esp Christian ones, by identifying and substantiating/documenting problems, and discussing the root causes, and thus better focus on them and enemies and attack them, and which includes evaluating the strength of political candidates relative to issues.

100 posts here, all of which (I think) at least stand in opposition to women in combat, as does the testimony of the Israeli soldier of the article, helps somewhat to show unity and strengthen it, though to what degree overall traditional (Biblical) roles are supported is less clear.

But ask FR conservatives here whether the principled judicious use of physical chastisement of children ( (as my father exercised, and God does) is right and I think you will be surprised at the number who are opposed to it. As well as to the number of conservatives here who are not opposed to the Left on moral grounds.

100 posted on 09/24/2023 5:03:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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