Should women be banned from the armed forces? If so, why? ["inherent biological differences...the biggest factor is our biological programming to be protective of women"]

My niece served as an Army nurse in Iraq. She came home with PTSD from the carnage she saw. Got married to another vet and had children. She has been way too protective of those kids, although that is subsiding, as her husband moderates those overly protective impulses.
There are some things a mother, or future mother, shouldn’t see. She needs to have peace, love and sunshine on her mind, not horrific nightmares. For the good of her children.
I would be very careful about how and where our young women serve their country.

my brothers taught me how to fight.

"Brothers (plural) what are they today?

While in 1800 US women on average had 7 children had her first child around the age of 23 and proceeded to bear children at two-year intervals until her early 40s (more of whom died before reaching adulthood than now), and in the baby boom era the average was 3.6 kids (where children made up 36 percent, vs. 22:% now), yet by 2021 it was 1.6.6, and with the median age for giving birth hitting an unprecedented age 30.

Usually meaning women working outside the home, and more money to spend on meals outside the home thus less cooking (besides more spoiled kids, who have no or maybe just one sibling to learn how to get along with and share, thus more being unduly fearful and intolerant of others).

That being said, there is no way I would ever want to do hand to hand combat with someone like my husband. One punch from him would unquestionably dislocate my jaw (no, my husband has never raised a hand to me. He is a loving protector). Even at peak physical strength, I paled in comparison. For example, when we moved, he could easily pick up in his arms something that I would need to use my back and legs for. My husband and I had a similar conversation today Men do not fight for abstract notions like “democracy.” They fight to protect their families. With so many women screaming about how they hate men and don’t need them, is it any surprise that men are turning away when they see a woman getting attacked? Handle it yourself, Boss Babe. Anything that damages mission readiness and unit cohesion should be removed from our armed forces. Units should not be co-mingled. If the men are spending more time babysitting the women instead of completing the objective, that is a recipe for failure

Lot's of common sense in this thread, thank God.

Wrong question.

The issue is, Should women be allowed into the combat arms MOSs?

No. And they shouldn’t be on a navy ship either.

Military hopefuls should be judged on merit only. Period.

That is a key part, as it means both integrity and functionality, but even in civilian life, there is the personality compatibility aspect as part of a team. The PC elite enforce that as regards the wrong ideology.

See post 26, this question is now 50 years out of date, they got into the (general) military 50 years ago and ruined it and made it increasingly ineffective.

People still respond to this as though all their arguments for females in the military were not already destroyed and exposed since it became a reality so many years ago.

Of course women shouldn’t be banned. Someone needs to make sammiches.

PTSD pensions, injuries, and disability pensions, the VA hospital system.

Females are vastly more likely to collect all those and overwhelm the VA because they suffer PTSD at a much higher rate, and not from being in combat but merely from the military life and living among males.

Injuries? The female body is not made for marching, packs, and the physical activity so they start lining up for the pensions in basic training, and their percentage of injuries is astronomical.

The VA? Women and their love for doctors, visits, and constant health attention are taking over the VA system.

Very well said.
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Neither sex was designed for war. Neither mind can fathom the horrors. But we can wield the axe, the spear and mace.

Only in the Bible’s prophecies of an ending of all the madness can we live in unison and practice fully the gifts which God gave male and female.

In my lifetime I’ve seen nothing but blood and war. There’s too much Hollywood in women warriors. They exist but in such small numbers as to be almost insignificant. But for soldiers to win a war there are many jobs and some women are better suited in their dexterity. All this to say, I pray for peace, for days we can again be appreciative and laugh at one another’s strengths and weaknesses. This exists only in peacetime away from the machinations of war.

Totally agree, nurses, doctors and definitely not on Naval vessels. That is insanity.

its simple, women carry grudges . forever. And they cannot separate work from personal issued. they are all too emotional to function under stressful conditions. health reasons, - they stink for 1 week a month. theres no cohesion in a mixed gender company. a guy cant hall off and fight a woman. shed lose 999/1000 fights. then hold a grudge and would frag a guy a year later.

I believe it was Rush Limbaugh that said creating an women “Amazon Battalion” that wore red arm bands during certain times of the month would be very scary indeed.

It was the same clueless thing people have been saying for decades because they don’t know better.

I am one of five siblings; three older brothers and a sister. My mother wanted more.

No, the armed forces should be primarily women. Diversity is our strength.

You forgot your /sarcasm tag. But actually the Left thinks the armed forces should be primarily gender neutral, as such proxy servants of the devil work to transition this nation increasingly into a United States of Sodom with its Wokeducation goals, and with a "Wokelitary" to defend it,

Thus,

Military.com, 2020: Here's the Marine Corps' Plan to End Gender Segregation at Boot Camp. The Marine Corps was tasked with explaining its short- and long-term plans for integrating recruit training, which was mandated by the 2020 National Defense Authorization Act. Signed into law in December, 2020. “Gender integration at Marine Corps Recruit Training remains a top priority." “The outcome the Marine Corps desires for gender integration is for every male recruit to train alongside a female recruit within the same company.”” All-male recruit companies trained solely by men will be made “obsolete,”

Top Marine stresses need for more female infantry officers, research on 1-year paid maternity leave 2/25/2020, 5:18:38 PM · by jazusamo · 87 replies The Washington Times ^ | February 25, 2020 | Douglas Ernst The nation’s top Marine, Commandant Gen. David Berger, took to social media Tuesday morning to stress the service’s “most important matters.” Yet to get an abortion=murder their child, Navy service members are to be reimbursed for travel expenses and if they need to go to a different state they can be provided with up to three weeks off, with pay.

The Blaze, December 22, 2022: Marines told to stop using ‘sir,’ ‘ma’am/mater’ to avoid ‘misgendering’ superiors The University of Pittsburgh received $2 million to conduct the study, which examined gender-integrated recruit training in military settings. "The Army, Navy, and Coast Guard effectively de-emphasize gender in an integrated environment," the report claimed. Marine Corps leaders are reportedly not convinced that transitioning to gender-neutral salutations would be as simple as the 739-page report suggests.

Biden Pentagon Orders Military Chaplains To Bless Putting Male Soldiers In Female Showers And Bedrooms, The Federalist : if a person “self-identifies” as a person of the opposite sex, and if the Defense Enrollment Eligibility Reporting System (DEERS) changes a person’s bureaucratic “gender marker,” a man claiming to be a woman must be treated as a woman, and vice versa... Revised rules also permit cross-dressing and other “transitioning” behaviors while in “on-duty status.”... regulations do not protect or even mention rights of religious liberty for chaplains and people of faith. Nor do they provide options for doctors, nurses, and other medical personnel who object to transgender ideology on moral or ethical grounds.<

Pentagon study finds rising suicide rates in military 9/27/2019, 12:49:01 AM · by fwdude · 26 replies The Hill ^ | 09/26/19 | Ellen Mitchell Suicide rates in the military were higher in 2018 compared to the previous five years despite efforts to prevent such deaths, according to an annual Pentagon report released Thursday. A total of 541 active duty, National Guard and Reserve troops committed suicide last year, the Department of Defense Annual Suicide Report found.

Heritage Index Rates Navy, Marines ‘Marginal’ In Ability to Counter Current Threats 11/4/2019, 11:30:14 AM · by robowombat · 25 replies USNI News ^ | October 30, 2019 8:01 PM | John Grady Heritage Index Rates Navy, Marines ‘Marginal’ In Ability to Counter Current Threats By: John Grady October 30, 2019 8:01 PM The Navy and the Marine Corps have been assessed as “marginal” in their ability to meet the challenges from rival powers in Beijing and Moscow, as well as regional threats coming from Tehran and Pyongyang, according to annual report on U.S. military strength from The Heritage Foundation

Pentagon Report: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy as Beijing Expands Military Influence 9/2/2020, 7:28:08 PM · by Retain Mike · 8 replies US Naval Institute ^ | September 1, 2020 5:31 PM | John Grady

Countering this is the news of, The Pentagon Forming a Diversity and Inclusion Office, and and

allowing transgenders to serve in the military,

and with the Pentagon even ensuring free gender reassignment surgery for active military personnel,

while the chief diversity, equity and inclusion officer at the Department of Defense's education wing, a self-described "woke administrator," attacked a person for having the ""CAUdacity to say that black people can be racist too,"

while Army mandatory training now including training Army personnel to know what to do in such scenarios as when a soldier who was "assigned" a biological gender at birth says he/she identifies as another gender, and lives as such in off-duty hours, but is not requesting to be treated as such while on duty, versus if such later requests to be identified as according to their chosen gender during duty hours, and/or experiences increased distress relating to his/her gender identity;

while apparently as part of the Naval Sea Systems Command Inclusion & Engagement Council’s Diversity Team's video series called “NAVSpEAks,” the Navy posts video on "the importance of using correct pronouns as well as polite etiquette when you may not be sure of someone's pronouns"

as 'Keep Trying' — Naval Sea Systems Command Tells Americans to Advance Transgenderism,

consistent with "Navy Says Sailors Can Use Whichever Locker Room Suits Their Gender Identity,"

as well as the Air Force being with WOKEism in creating 'LGBTQ' and 'Indigenous Nations Equality' Focus Groups,

and also authorizing the use of gender pronouns in signature blocks,

and hosting a drag show at festival at Joint Base Langley-Eustis (JBLE) on July, 2022, which also includes a poem on “Diversity, Equity and Inclusion,” and also posted a tweet celebrating Pride Month that depicted a U.S. soldier saluting not the American flag, but a Pride flag,

and the Army arms itself with a woke recruitment ad featuring lesbians at a gay wedding and an LGBTQ pride march,

and the CIA funds a 'cisgender millennial with anxiety disorder' campaign, and with the

Marines and Navy as well as the Air Force and Army posting messages on social media supporting gay pride and Pride Month,

with the former posting rainbow bullets, and the latter a rainbow colored arm and hand in salute (essentially to the flag of Sodom)

and with the Navy naming a military ship after the immoral gay rights leader Harvey Milk, and (now) with a transgender veteran christening it,

along with the Navy's first all gay U.S. Navy helicopter crew,

as well as enlisting a drag queen, who is an active duty sailor, in a “digital ambassador” program aimed at targeting a wider array of potential recruits through digital platforms like Instagram,

thereby adding to the list surrender to demons such as,

U.S. Army Announces the Allowance of Lipstick, Nail Polish, and Better Breastfeeding

In the Battle for Inclusion, U.S. Navy Employs the Weapon of Interior Decorating

Navy Says Sailors Can Use Whichever Locker Room Suits Their Gender Identity

U.S. Army Revolutionizes Its Fitness Standards so Girls Can Pass

Army Secretary Champions What’s ‘Important’: Making ‘Marginalized Communities’ ‘Feel Included’

The Army Will Force Female Soldiers to Shower With Biological Males,

and with military generals calling for Increased Diversity and More Women in Combat,

and changing its song to be gender-neutral,

and Forcing Marines to Make Boot Camp Coed,

and feeding cadets cultural Marxist propaganda about gender and masculinity therein,

to its new diversity and inclusion operation from West Point

and for its Special Operations Command ,

while showing a rapid response readiness to engage in online combat with the likes of Tucker Carson and other such enemies

thus nuking Jesus-themed candies on an Air Force bases

(although turbans and hijabs are allowed,) stop making faith-based Dog Tags,

and prohibiting service members from “liking” or reposting "extremist" views on social media (depending on all the circumstances involved) as part of its prohibition against actively engaging in extremist activities,

Which behavior is consistent with working to rid the military itself of “extremism”

such as the head of the US Space Force unit being fired and put under investigation for criticizing Critical Race Theory,

while the US Army is teaching officers at the Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth that white people can’t experience racism. The definition of racism is taught in an elective course called “Race and Gender in U.S. Military History” which is available for up to 32 students each year. The course also defines gender as “a set of socially constructed characteristics, such as norms and behaviors, typically associated with being masculine, feminine, androgynous, or other.” “The Command and General Staff College is at the forefront of building Army leaders ready to fight and win our nation’s wars,” Camara told American Military News.

Then though in a somewhat personal civilian incident, a New Jersey mother was reported to local police by a U.S. Army Lt. Col because she criticized her child's elementary school for displaying posters in the hallway about sexual preferences. U.S. Army Lt. Col. Christopher Schilling also used his military title to engage in an email thread with U.S. Air Force Major Nathanial Lesher, who assured Schilling that he would forward his concern to North Hanover Township Police Chief Robert Duff "for awareness." Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst confirmed that it notified law enforcement about the exchange as part of "common information-sharing practice among law enforcement entities."

O my God, I am ashamed and blush to lift up my face to thee, my God: for our iniquities are increased over our head, and our trespass is grown up unto the heavens. (Ezra 9:6)

Which shame has as its capstone of damnation not only paying for troops and their family members to travel for abortions but the promotion of the abomination of homosexual unions and its relations, which are overall deleterious to individuals and the nation, thereby essentially saluting the flag of Sodom, as of United States of Sodom:

March 30, 2023: (Navy) 'International Transgender Day of Visibility' offers a chance to support freedom of expression, association

(https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Media/News/SavedNewsModule/Article/3343199/international-transgender-day-of-visibility-offers-a-chance-to-support-freedom/)

(Air Force proudly recognizes and celebrates generations of LGBTQI+ service)

The above image is tragically actually from the military, a Air Force Facebook post: "RADfertility November 11, 2021 · As we celebrate #VeteransDay, it is our honor to introduce you to Tech Sergeant Bryanna Dahl, her wife, Lauren and their amazing RAD baby Bennett! 🇺🇸 Currently stationed at the Dover Air Force Base, Sgt. Dahl just celebrated 7 years wearing this uniform! We had the privilege of helping their family grow and following their journey to Bennett also known as “Bennie.” On this day, we share our endless gratitude to those who serve and have served our country along with the supportive families behind them. Thank you for fighting for our freedoms – we thank you yesterday, today and forever #ThankYou #DoverAFB #RADfamily" - https://www.facebook.com/RADfertility/photos/a.146746165350896/7215339618491480/?type=3

Also, last I saw, More Than 75% Of Americans Aged 17-24 Aren’t Fit For Military Service: (DOD) 77% of Americans in the above age group could not physically qualify to enter the armed forces – a 6% increase from 2017..CDC statistics also show that 19 percent of active-duty service members suffered from obesity in 2020, which is up from 16 percent in 2015. A U.S. Army general bluntly said that young Americans are either too obese, too sick, or too criminal to serve in the military. we have are obesity, we have pre-existing medical conditions, we have behavioral health problems, we have criminality, people with felonies, and we have drug use,” Lt. Gen. Xavier Brunson told The Spokesman-Review of Spokane, Washington.

And the Army dropped grenade throwing as a requirement to graduate because new recruits could not throw far enough. “We are finding that there are a large number of trainees that come in that quite frankly just physically don’t have the capacity to throw a hand grenade 20 to 25 [82 feet] to 30 meters."

Consistent with such, physical fitness assessment failures being now scrubbed from sailors’ records, a clean slate that will allow them to remain in the service,

and with lower fitness standards for women in the Army,

while nearly half of female soldiers are still failing the new Army Fitness Test,

Also, there is the Intellectual Decline of the Army Officer Corps. The size of the U.S. military in 2017 was half of what it was in 1990, and in general I think many signed up for the benefits rather than patriotism. 16% were women and racial and ethnic minorities made up 43%, and a poll from the Military Times and Syracuse University's Institute for Veterans and Military Families conducted in July 2020, 49.9 percent of 1,018 active-duty military respondents had an unfavorable view of the president, compared to about 38 percent who had a favorable view. That poll showed Biden with a 4-percentage-point lead over Trump

Fewer Americans want to serve in the military. Cue Pentagon panic 4/10/2019, 6:55:46 PM · by GuavaCheesePuff · 70 replies The Guardian ^ | April 10, 2019 | William M. Arkin.official military polling shows that fewer and fewer young Americans consider the military as a career or as a transitional step – only some 12.5% – the lowest number in a decade.

Yet despite conservatives being the most patriotic, the Army’s top civilian leader pushed back amid Republican criticisms that the military is going too "woke," arguing such critiques are deepening an already troubling recruiting crisis.

Yes!
We’ll need them working in the war factories and shipyards again when the SHTF...

Realism just entered the chat.

Not even a populist president like Trump is going to be able to put the genie back into the bottle absent a MAJOR change in American culture. We may want a 2% women in the military— but it’s not happening. Our aim should be on what is realistic. We are not going to be able to return to an America 50 years ago.

However, with the data the US Marines developed in their Warfighting laboratory, a Commander in Chief can restrict women to only non-combat MOSs, and remove them from operational-level combat commands.

That will limit them to strategic and garrison duties.

That is totally woke and what got us here in the first place.

I’m thinking the ugly ones should be banned.

It’s reality. It is politically untenable to go to a 2% female military without making the case for females to return to their traditional roles. It is what it is.