Inside the mind of one of my very smart pro-vax friends

substack.com ^ | August 22, 2022 | Steve Kirsch

[ransomnote]

Here's how they think. It's 100% based on deference to authority. If you ask them for data to back up their claims, they stop responding.

Steve Kirsch

Aug 22

 

 

 

I recently talked to a friend of mine at a recent social event. We’ll call him Bob. He’s super smart about most things. But when it comes to the vaccine, he’s blind to the truth.

He was bragging about how he has been vaxxed 6 times with the COVID vax and he’s perfectly healthy. He can’t wait for SB 866 in California to pass so when his kids turn 12, they can decide to get the vaccine over their mother’s objections.

Bob thinks I’m a nut case, cherry picking data. He says I used to be respected, but after turning anti-vax, people have lost all respect for me. He said I have a religious belief about the vaccine and I’m not driven by data.

What he isn’t telling anyone is that he’s been losing his vision ever since he got his first COVID vaccine. He used to have 20/20 vision, but now he wears glasses and can’t drive at night. When I brought up the data showing the connection between the shots and vision loss, he changed the topic.

I showed him two papers showing the more you vaccinate, the sicker you get (see the two papers here). I asked, “Where are the papers that show the opposite?” He ignored my request.

He gets his belief system from the mainstream media. Full stop. He reasons that if I was correct, surely Bill Gates would agree with me and admit they goofed. It’s 100% deference to authority.

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[Jane Long]

roving, are you talking about this...regarding hospitals filled up with UNvaxxed?

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3989955/posts?page=82#82

https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3989955/posts?page=10#10

[Dr. Franklin]

BTTP!

[Jane Long]

Ack! So.....what was doing additional damage....was also being prescribed.

Geez. Nasty tidbit, indeed.

[metmom]

Funny how some folks reject anecdotal evidence when someone uses it with them, but when they are the ones using it, we’re supposed to take it as written in stone proof.

So, no, I do NOT believe that hospitals were filled with only or mostly “unvaxxed”.

There were plenty of other sources posted on FR that actually gave places, names, and stats that said otherwise.

[Polyxene]

I am friends with a couple — physicians both. I have never seen such paranoia. Vaxxed to the max, and they are still wearing masks everywhere. The wife and I went to a conference. She came down with Covid, had to leave early, and was very sick for several weeks. Hubby got it, too, not is bad, but is still testing positive a couple of weeks later. They can’t believe I didn’t get sick. I casually commented that I thought the vaxxes were supposed to keep you from getting very sick. They said they must have the “new strain”, so “we” will have to get the new vax ASAP. It will never end.....................

[Triple]

Getting one species to express the genes of another creates a transgenic specimen. Passing it the gene on to future generations is not required to be gene therapy.

The adenovirus vector approach is used in gene therapy. But you are correct that in this case the gene therapy approach is being used on healthy people. It is not to treat a disease.

Would you prefer all the genetic jabs to be transgenic human jabs?

Btw- you have a medical degree, but I also have advanced degrees, including degrees in microbiology and genetics. You do not have a monopoly on intelligence, education, or experience on this topic.

[gas_dr]

Let me help educate you as it appears necessary.

As an outgrowth of the PACU, critical care units are now found in all major medical facilities throughout the United States. Anesthesiologists are uniquely qualified to coordinate the care of patients in the intensive care unit because of their extensive training in clinical physiology/pharmacology and resuscitation. Some anesthesiologists pursue advanced fellowship training to subspecialize in critical care medicine in both adult and pediatric hospitals. In the ICU, they direct the complete medical care for the sickest patients. The role of the anesthesiologist in this setting includes the provision of medical assessment and diagnosis, respiratory and cardiovascular support and infection control.

You may also choose to have a look at the American board of anesthesiologists website to find out many subspecialties and certifications as well as rigorous examination processes. You may reference the American Society of Anesthesiologists for all of our societies and patient populations.

Anesthesiologists are integrated at all levels of hospital care and provide critical outpatient needs as well. I am sorry you do not take the time to learn and research before opining. But then, knowledge always exposes group think.

Our board certification in critical care is critical care medicine. We are the only physicians who can work in every location inside the hospital and care for the patient from the highest and most intense level to the operating room, labor and delivery, the little ones and the floors. Thus the snark regarding our scope Of practice is either ignorant or intentionally deceptive. It is hard to decide with the conga line of Q theorists. Neither is particularly flattering.

[gas_dr]

Your questions you have just asked are entirely reasonable and much different then the simplistic gene therapy question.

I am generally more skeptical of the adenovirus vector with DS DNA. The fact that unlike the mRNA platforms which remain in the cytosol, the delivery of DS dna to the nucleus to utilize transcription instead of extranuclear translation mechanisms seems a little more cavalier. I don’t like that the only thing between synthesis and chromosomal damage is reverse transcriptase and integrase specific to the vectored DNA

I personally would not get the JnJ because I’m a little squeamish at where I’m the process it hits. However my emotional reaction does not set aside the science behind it seems awfully solid. I was reading that the use of adenovirus vector triggers a priming general immune response that is amplified on spike protein synthesis and recognition. As such the adenovirus primes the system and this is why one injection was required whereas the mRNA as inert envelops. It is an interesting idea. Thoughts on it?

[Deaf Smith]

I am not a anti-vaxxer because the shots are not a “vaccine”.

The CDC went a far as changing the definition of a vaccine on it’s website to fit the narrative of their push to get people to take the shot.

I stand by the wording Experimental Gene Therapy that was presented as part of the Public Service Announcement made in 2021.

When this PSA came out, I down loaded the first five pages of the 157 page PDF Johnson $ Johnson Label of their “vaccine”.

That was enough for me to say; Nope, not taking it.

[CodeToad]

The lies were so many it is impossible to say anything but that the pro-vaccine crowd lied their asses off about everything, from claiming no one vaccinated has had any problems to claiming only the non-vaxxed were getting sick.

We’ve all seen the reports, and their lies befall them.

[DugwayDuke]

Deaf Smith wrote: “I am not a anti-vaxxer because the shots are not a “vaccine”.”

Yes, anyone who subscribes to all the anti-vaxxer propaganda is an anti-vaxxer.

Deaf Smith wrote: “The CDC went a far as changing the definition of a vaccine on it’s website to fit the narrative of their push to get people to take the shot.”

CDC changed the definition because the previous definition could be interpreted to mean vaccines are 100% effective. This has never been the case for any vaccine.

Deaf Smith wrote: “I stand by the wording Experimental Gene Therapy that was presented as part of the Public Service Announcement made in 2021.”

You stand by a PSA that you can’t quote or link to?

Two points. First point. You don’t understand gene therapy.

Gene therapies involve making deliberate changes to a patient’s DNA in order to cure or alleviate a genetic condition. This can be by adding a functional copy of a gene, disabling a gene that makes a faulty product or changing gene activation.

The mRNA from the vaccines does not enter the cell nucleus or interact with the DNA at all, so it does not constitute gene therapy.

Gene therapies can have long-lasting effects because they permanently change the cell’s DNA, with these changes being inherited by any daughter cells that result if the cell divides. In contrast, mRNAs are always transitory and are not inherited by daughter cells, making them ideal for use in vaccines.

Second point. You make a big deal out of the J&J vaccine using their information sheet to justify avoiding mRNA vaccines. The J&J vaccines isn’t mRNA, it’s an old fashioned vaccine which, BTW, would fall under the previous defintion of a vaccine.

[Deaf Smith]

>>information sheet

It was the legally required Johnson & Johnson Label.

Why the push to shoot up the population for a virus with a 99.7% survivability rate?

[Roman_War_Criminal]

It’s almost surreal.

[DugwayDuke]

Deaf Smith wrote: “It was the legally required Johnson & Johnson Label.”

Your complaint was the mRNA vaccines. J&J isn’t mRNA which means your opposition is purely anti-vaccine, not mRNA.

Deaf Smith wrote: “Why the push to shoot up the population for a virus with a 99.7% survivability rate?”

Did you take the polio vaccines? Polio has essentially the same survivability rate. Do the math. Fatality rate is 0.0005 or a survivability rate of 0.9995 (One in 200 infections leads to irreversible paralysis. Among those paralysed, 5–10% die when their breathing muscles become immobilized.) BTW, approximately 70% of polio cases were asymptomatic.

[grey_whiskers]

I am not the one who has made definitive statements that are unprovable.

That isn't the only way one can be wrong on the internet.

Acting like a weasel is also a no-no, for example.

Those accused of being $hot $hill$, and their allies, tend to

1) lump together all opposition to the jabs, with the wild-eyed BS about 5G mind control, implying that to accept any claims against the jabs, one must perforce wholeheartedly accept all the wildest claims

2) Attack the personal characteristics and beliefs of those attacking the shots

3) Attack the professional reputation of those attacking the shots

4) In doing 2) and 3), rely on left-wing control phrases such as "discredited" and "deBOOOOOOOONKed"™ such as used by Goolag, FaecesBook, and others (don't forget that the Attorneys General of several US states have sued, and more than 45 government officials were involved, as per information listed in Post #271 on an FR thread.

5) In addition, they state that those who fall for these conspiracy theories are prone to have fallen for other things such as "Q theory". (Which is not even an actual thing.)

6) The language and approach used is highly reminiscent of that suggested by Dr. Peter Hotez in an editorial he wrote in Nature in which he said

"Investigations by the US State Department and the UK Foreign Office have described how Russian intelligence organizations seek to discredit Western COVID-19 vaccines. One campaign implies that it could turn people into monkeys. This builds on a longer, well-documented history of Russia-sponsored disinformation, presumably to destabilize the United States and other democratic countries."

and

"The United States hosts the world’s largest and best-organized anti-vaccine groups. According to the London-based Center for Countering Digital Hate, these are influential groups, not a spontaneous grass-roots movement. Many far-right extremist groups that spread false information about last year’s US presidential election are doing the same about vaccines."

The aforementioned "Center for Countering Digital Hate" on its website refers to "The Disinformation Dozen" which seems to have a strange overlap with the "discredited dozen" or "dirty dozen" or "disinformation dozen" by those who look to be performing a rearguard action on the jabs here on FR.

The Center for Countering Digital Hate also champions LGBTQ+, calls crisis pregnancy centers "Fake Clinics", and has sections on Misogyny, Climate Change, and anti-Semitism.

All the usual Deep State / Leftist tropes.

These do not comport with the claims to be merely disinterested doctors or scientists concerned only with rigorously following the scientific method, for some reason.

What this thread really needs is a lawyer to start asking "no-room-to-wiggle-out" questions.

Failing that, those referred to as $hot $hill$ could be a bit more vociferous in their condemnation of the FDA, CDC, and elsewhere in government, as well as Pfauci, Pfizer, and Moderna for the (at best) piss-poor safety trials and trying to hide the results. Or why the Swine Flu shot was discontinued after 25 or 50 fatalities reported to VAERS, but the very name VAERS is substituted with "unreliable rumor mill" solely for the purposes of considering the clot-shots; why it is that the reputation of either the CDC or the clot-shots, should be completely unaffected by the CDC suddenly revising their guidance that the spike protein is rapidly eliminated from the body; why the FDA put out advertisements against Ivermectin saying "Stop it. You are not a horse" when Ivermectin has been used for decades, is reportedly on the WHO list of top 100 essential medicines, and the discoverer of Ivermectin was awarded the 2015 Nobel Prize in Medicine.

Etc. ad nauseum ad infinitum.

Your affected motivations (Mirram Webster synonyms "act, assume, bluff, counterfeit, dissemble, fake, feign, pass (for), pretend, profess, put on, sham, simulate" which includes 'pass for' or profess) -- and, as in an earlier post, Your is meant as plural -- seem to be the purity of REAL science, unaffected by shysters, rumor, or grifting -- and yet it is abundantly clear that the behavior of Pfizer and Moderna was, and continues to be, purely mercenary -- why then are you not loudly calling out the failings in their "science" as grifting?

[bagster]

Not knowing where something is rooted is a problem. Pure bloods as any student of history knows was the label Hitler used to refer to the master race. The phraseology was in Mein Kamph which I quoted to you.

No, you fool. 'Pureblood' is a True Blood and Harry Potter mash-up. Stop making things up and get with the program. You are so uneducated.

#KnowYourHistory

[bagster]

My sincerest apologies. You are correct The Mengele statements came from a different poster with a handle that for some reason sounds similar to yours in my ear.

I've said Mengele a lot and probly will again. The parallels are illustrative.

Or maybe Der Weiss Engle is better?

[bagster]

It is hard to decide with the conga line of Q theorists.

[metmom]

That is exactly what some do when they defer to the authority of Malone, Mercola, Wakefield, Kirsch, etc.

And you all defer to the authority of Fauci, the CDC, FDA, big pharma, etc.

And we KNOW fauxi and the alphabet agencies and bog pharma have lied to us from day one.

So your point is?

[gas_dr]

Who is Harry Potter?