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Time May Not Exist at All, According to Physics
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | April 25, 2022 | SAM BARON

Posted on 04/25/2022 7:54:20 AM PDT by Red Badger

Does time exist? The answer to this question may seem obvious: Of course it does! Just look at a calendar or a clock.

But developments in physics suggest the non-existence of time is an open possibility, and one that we should take seriously.

How can that be, and what would it mean? It'll take a little while to explain, but don't worry: Even if time doesn't exist, our lives will go on as usual.

A crisis in physics Physics is in crisis. For the past century or so, we have explained the Universe with two wildly successful physical theories: general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Quantum mechanics describes how things work in the incredibly tiny world of particles and particle interactions. General relativity describes the big picture of gravity and how objects move.

Both theories work extremely well in their own right, but the two are thought to conflict with one another. Though the exact nature of the conflict is controversial, scientists generally agree both theories need to be replaced with a new, more general theory.

Physicists want to produce a theory of "quantum gravity" that replaces general relativity and quantum mechanics, while capturing the extraordinary success of both. Such a theory would explain how gravity's big picture works at the miniature scale of particles.

Time in quantum gravity It turns out that producing a theory of quantum gravity is extraordinarily difficult.

One attempt to overcome the conflict between the two theories is string theory. String theory replaces particles with strings vibrating in as many as 11 dimensions.

However, string theory faces a further difficulty. String theories provide a range of models that describe a Universe broadly like our own, and they don't really make any clear predictions that can be tested by experiments to figure out which model is the right one.

In the 1980s and 1990s, many physicists became dissatisfied with string theory and came up with a range of new mathematical approaches to quantum gravity.

One of the most prominent of these is loop quantum gravity, which proposes that the fabric of space and time is made of a network of extremely small discrete chunks, or "loops".

One of the remarkable aspects of loop quantum gravity is that it appears to eliminate time entirely.

Loop quantum gravity is not alone in abolishing time: A number of other approaches also seem to remove time as a fundamental aspect of reality.

Emergent time So we know we need a new physical theory to explain the Universe, and that this theory might not feature time.

Suppose such a theory turns out to be correct. Would it follow that time does not exist?

It's complicated, and it depends what we mean by exist.

Theories of physics don't include any tables, chairs, or people, and yet we still accept that tables, chairs, and people exist.

Why? Because we assume that such things exist at a higher level than the level described by physics.

We say that tables, for example, "emerge" from an underlying physics of particles whizzing around the Universe.

But while we have a pretty good sense of how a table might be made out of fundamental particles, we have no idea how time might be "made out of" something more fundamental.

So unless we can come up with a good account of how time emerges, it is not clear we can simply assume time exists.

Time might not exist at any level.

Time and agency Saying that time does not exist at any level is like saying that there are no tables at all.

Trying to get by in a world without tables might be tough, but managing in a world without time seems positively disastrous.

Our entire lives are built around time. We plan for the future, in light of what we know about the past. We hold people morally accountable for their past actions, with an eye to reprimanding them later on.

We believe ourselves to be agents (entities that can do things) in part because we can plan to act in a way that will bring about changes in the future.

But what's the point of acting to bring about a change in the future when, in a very real sense, there is no future to act for?

What's the point of punishing someone for a past action, when there is no past and so, apparently, no such action?

The discovery that time does not exist would seem to bring the entire world to a grinding halt. We would have no reason to get out of bed.

Business as usual There is a way out of the mess.

While physics might eliminate time, it seems to leave causation intact: the sense in which one thing can bring about another.

Perhaps what physics is telling us, then, is that causation and not time is the basic feature of our Universe.

If that's right, then agency can still survive. For it is possible to reconstruct a sense of agency entirely in causal terms.

At least, that's what Kristie Miller, Jonathan Tallant, and I argue in our new book.

We suggest the discovery that time does not exist may have no direct impact on our lives, even while it propels physics into a new era. Sam Baron, Associate professor, Australian Catholic University.


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: astronomy; faithandphilosophy; loopquantumgravity; physics; relativity; science; stringtheory
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To: one guy in new jersey
You picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille.

"You B____! You S___! You W____!"

161 posted on 04/25/2022 11:01:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger

time after time...


162 posted on 04/25/2022 11:02:45 AM PDT by heavy metal (smiling improves your face value and makes people wonder what the hell you're up to... 馃榿)
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To: DannyTN
Yes you're once twice Three times a lady And I love you



"Unce.....Tice....Fee Tines a Mady!"

163 posted on 04/25/2022 11:04:55 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger

Why oh why can鈥檛 I understand this!


164 posted on 04/25/2022 11:06:18 AM PDT by V V Camp Enari 67-68 ( This clears up a lot of misconceptions.)
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To: DannyTN

Oh you beat me by 16 seconds.


165 posted on 04/25/2022 11:08:23 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

166 posted on 04/25/2022 11:09:02 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

How can I be ticking away
the moments that make up a dull day,
or friiter and waste my time in an offhand way,
if Time itself does not exist?

Or am I just hanging on in quiet desperation in tne English way?


167 posted on 04/25/2022 11:09:37 AM PDT by left that other site (Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.)
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To: pepsi_junkie

+1

The money is shoveled over to bankers, MBAs, lawyers, and D.I.E. consultants instead.

And to pay severance to Carly Fiorina?

*And*, “10% for the Big Guy” no doubt.


168 posted on 04/25/2022 11:10:37 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: left that other site

Got to keep the loonies on the path.................


169 posted on 04/25/2022 11:11:50 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger; 6SJ7; AdmSmith; AFPhys; Arkinsaw; allmost; aristotleman; autumnraine; bajabaja; ...
Thanks Red Badger. I'm stealin' that graphic, I'd used it in the past, at least, I used to think I had, but now I'm not so sure...


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170 posted on 04/25/2022 11:22:05 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: DannyTN

171 posted on 04/25/2022 11:23:18 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
A long, long time ago I can still remember how that music used to make me smile
172 posted on 04/25/2022 11:24:38 AM PDT by DannyTN
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173 posted on 04/25/2022 11:26:30 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

Einstein taught us that a speed defines the relationships between mass and energy, and defines reality as we know it ....the speed of light. We know that nothing which travels slower than the speed of light is capable of traveling faster than the speed of light, but we don’t know about things which normally travel faster than the speed of light.

Speed takes precedence over both space and time. If time did not exist then speed would not exist, and this reality is based on speed. Time does exist. Time is the 11th dimension.


174 posted on 04/25/2022 11:33:21 AM PDT by nagant
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To: dfwgator

Sounds like Sam Kinison...


175 posted on 04/25/2022 11:33:48 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Red Badger

So.

You think you can tell heaven from hell?


176 posted on 04/25/2022 11:33:50 AM PDT by left that other site (Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.)
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To: left that other site

‘Cause it’s time, it’s time in time with your time and it’s news is captured for the queen to use


177 posted on 04/25/2022 11:35:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: nagant

But does she love you in in a place where there is no space or time?


178 posted on 04/25/2022 11:36:46 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Leaning Right

in the case of string theory, it鈥檚 thought that there can never be any hard experimental evidence.
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This makes my brane hurt.


179 posted on 04/25/2022 11:38:03 AM PDT by nagant
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To: dfwgator

But the White Knight is talking backwards, and the Red Queen is off her head!


180 posted on 04/25/2022 11:38:55 AM PDT by left that other site (Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.)
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