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Time May Not Exist at All, According to Physics
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | April 25, 2022 | SAM BARON

Posted on 04/25/2022 7:54:20 AM PDT by Red Badger

Does time exist? The answer to this question may seem obvious: Of course it does! Just look at a calendar or a clock.

But developments in physics suggest the non-existence of time is an open possibility, and one that we should take seriously.

How can that be, and what would it mean? It'll take a little while to explain, but don't worry: Even if time doesn't exist, our lives will go on as usual.

A crisis in physics Physics is in crisis. For the past century or so, we have explained the Universe with two wildly successful physical theories: general relativity and quantum mechanics.

Quantum mechanics describes how things work in the incredibly tiny world of particles and particle interactions. General relativity describes the big picture of gravity and how objects move.

Both theories work extremely well in their own right, but the two are thought to conflict with one another. Though the exact nature of the conflict is controversial, scientists generally agree both theories need to be replaced with a new, more general theory.

Physicists want to produce a theory of "quantum gravity" that replaces general relativity and quantum mechanics, while capturing the extraordinary success of both. Such a theory would explain how gravity's big picture works at the miniature scale of particles.

Time in quantum gravity It turns out that producing a theory of quantum gravity is extraordinarily difficult.

One attempt to overcome the conflict between the two theories is string theory. String theory replaces particles with strings vibrating in as many as 11 dimensions.

However, string theory faces a further difficulty. String theories provide a range of models that describe a Universe broadly like our own, and they don't really make any clear predictions that can be tested by experiments to figure out which model is the right one.

In the 1980s and 1990s, many physicists became dissatisfied with string theory and came up with a range of new mathematical approaches to quantum gravity.

One of the most prominent of these is loop quantum gravity, which proposes that the fabric of space and time is made of a network of extremely small discrete chunks, or "loops".

One of the remarkable aspects of loop quantum gravity is that it appears to eliminate time entirely.

Loop quantum gravity is not alone in abolishing time: A number of other approaches also seem to remove time as a fundamental aspect of reality.

Emergent time So we know we need a new physical theory to explain the Universe, and that this theory might not feature time.

Suppose such a theory turns out to be correct. Would it follow that time does not exist?

It's complicated, and it depends what we mean by exist.

Theories of physics don't include any tables, chairs, or people, and yet we still accept that tables, chairs, and people exist.

Why? Because we assume that such things exist at a higher level than the level described by physics.

We say that tables, for example, "emerge" from an underlying physics of particles whizzing around the Universe.

But while we have a pretty good sense of how a table might be made out of fundamental particles, we have no idea how time might be "made out of" something more fundamental.

So unless we can come up with a good account of how time emerges, it is not clear we can simply assume time exists.

Time might not exist at any level.

Time and agency Saying that time does not exist at any level is like saying that there are no tables at all.

Trying to get by in a world without tables might be tough, but managing in a world without time seems positively disastrous.

Our entire lives are built around time. We plan for the future, in light of what we know about the past. We hold people morally accountable for their past actions, with an eye to reprimanding them later on.

We believe ourselves to be agents (entities that can do things) in part because we can plan to act in a way that will bring about changes in the future.

But what's the point of acting to bring about a change in the future when, in a very real sense, there is no future to act for?

What's the point of punishing someone for a past action, when there is no past and so, apparently, no such action?

The discovery that time does not exist would seem to bring the entire world to a grinding halt. We would have no reason to get out of bed.

Business as usual There is a way out of the mess.

While physics might eliminate time, it seems to leave causation intact: the sense in which one thing can bring about another.

Perhaps what physics is telling us, then, is that causation and not time is the basic feature of our Universe.

If that's right, then agency can still survive. For it is possible to reconstruct a sense of agency entirely in causal terms.

At least, that's what Kristie Miller, Jonathan Tallant, and I argue in our new book.

We suggest the discovery that time does not exist may have no direct impact on our lives, even while it propels physics into a new era. Sam Baron, Associate professor, Australian Catholic University.


TOPICS: Astronomy; History; Science; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: astronomy; faithandphilosophy; loopquantumgravity; physics; relativity; science; stringtheory
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To: Red Badger

If time doesn’t exist why do living things die.


141 posted on 04/25/2022 10:17:20 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: Donkey Odious

I’d have to read it a few times to get it all.

So I’m doing much better! I’m reading the comments!

TIME WELL SPENT!


142 posted on 04/25/2022 10:21:09 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: pepsi_junkie

Cuz she luvs u and wants u to live long (there’s still time)!


143 posted on 04/25/2022 10:21:25 AM PDT by Migraine ( )
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To: DannyTN

144 posted on 04/25/2022 10:27:53 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

The science is settled. Time deniers.


145 posted on 04/25/2022 10:30:58 AM PDT by pas
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To: DannyTN

146 posted on 04/25/2022 10:33:22 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

Haha!


147 posted on 04/25/2022 10:33:58 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: Vaduz

For dust thou art and unto dust thou shall return................


148 posted on 04/25/2022 10:34:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: DannyTN

• The time has come today.
• Time is on my side.


149 posted on 04/25/2022 10:37:00 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Red Badger

“Time would STOP with enough gravity..............”

You and me, if lucky would be two inches in height and five hundred pounds in weight.

5.56mm


150 posted on 04/25/2022 10:40:21 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: one guy in new jersey

Time isn’t holding us, time isn’t after us.


151 posted on 04/25/2022 10:40:52 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: M Kehoe

Not far from that NOW!..............


152 posted on 04/25/2022 10:42:53 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: DannyTN

RUSH - Time Stand Still

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dMSFqXGZ5TQ


153 posted on 04/25/2022 10:43:49 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: Red Badger

8^)

5.56mm


154 posted on 04/25/2022 10:48:49 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: DannyTN

Let’s Do The Time Warp Again

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=umj0gu5nEGs


155 posted on 04/25/2022 10:51:43 AM PDT by airborne (Thank you Rush for helping me find FreeRepublic! )
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To: DannyTN

156 posted on 04/25/2022 10:58:14 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Louis Foxwell

“Time is a human contrivance.”

That’s absurd. The language we use to describe time is a human contrivance, but not time itself.

Nature has always been all about change, and when things change, there is a “before” and an “after”.

Time is change - change is time - humans may be the only ones that talk about it, but all things in nature experience it.

The reason your dog is so happy to see you is that it has been a while since you left. Dogs think in “whiles”, humans keep track of hours and minutes - the only difference is the language.

The reason your grass grew longer is because it has been a while since you last mowed. The grass may not be conscious of time, but it experiences change, and therefore the passage of time.


157 posted on 04/25/2022 10:58:15 AM PDT by enumerated
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To: Dr. Sivana; Red Badger; Daffynition
Time would STOP with enough gravity......................<<<

Heavy, man.

There's that word again. Heavy. Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there a problem with the Earth's gravitational pull?
158 posted on 04/25/2022 10:58:36 AM PDT by Ezekiel ("Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with Mars ♂️.)
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To: dfwgator

You picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille.


159 posted on 04/25/2022 11:00:00 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: DannyTN
"You picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille With four hungry children and a crop in the field I've had some bad times Lived through some sad times But this time your hurtin' won't heal You picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille"
160 posted on 04/25/2022 11:00:16 AM PDT by DannyTN
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