ALIEN VISITOR Mystery over origin of Oumuamua ‘alien spaceship’ that soared past Earth finally solved

The Sun UK ^ | 02 Jun 2021 | Harry Pettit

[blueplum]

...Oumuamua took the world by storm in October 2017 when it was identified as the first known visitor from another star system.

A pair of Harvard scientists suggested the long and thin object was a spacecraft, sparking a frantic flurry of scans by astronomers as it flew by....

...Perhaps strangest of all was that the object appeared to accelerate on its journey, suggesting it was powered by something....

The new study lines up with research published last year....

[Clutch Martin]

“These “scientists” claim this object is approximately “35,000,000 years old” but then later try to tell us it originated from a hydrogen cloud 100 to 160 million light years away???!!!!”

I’ve always wondered if the universe was much older than estimated.

[mo]

enh...the terms of their grants to study this object are up...they gotta say something about how they spent the cash

[sleddogs]

An alien turd?

[Smellin Salt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sDuKDoDYf4

[PIF]

They are desperately trying to obscure that the object acted more like a probe than a random rock. Too much ‘alien’ stuff in the news lately, so gotta focus on Earth and eliminate stories that are, on the face of it, more scary.

Also, shortly after the object appeared, there was a photo representation of another more distant object passing through at the same time with the same shape; since this only appeared once and no more was said, I wonder if that story was true or what.

[sipster]

You seem to be confused between who wrote the article and the scientists who wrote the paper. You are blaming the scientists for obvious mistakes made by the journalist who wrote the article.

Nowhere does the paper claim that the hydrogen cloud is 100 to 160 million light years away.

To add to the absurdity, while making claims about the scientists being incorrect, you appear to be just making up your own numbers. You claimed that the Carina-Near-Moving-Group is 8,000 to 10,000 light years away. This is simply not true. The Carina group is 100 light years away, and the Columbia association is 160 light years away.

(from your posting)
“The real fact are that the Carina-Near-Moving-Group of stars is NOT that far away as the bozos writing this article claim, but more like 8,000 to 10,000 light years”

Clearly the author of the article (not the scientists) added in the “million” to the distances that they quoted from the article.

The speed you quotes of 200,000 mph is more than sufficient to cover the distance of 100 light years in 35 million years. It would only have to be travelling at 2000 mph to cover that distance. Also it is worth noting that the 200,000 mph speed was only at perihelion. The speed when entering and leaving the solar system was much slower.

So your argument really falls apart once you realize that you are taking what was written and the mistakes made by the journalist (Harry Pettit) and attributing it to the scientists in order to claim that they can’t do basic math.

Reading and comprehension is important.

[The Great RJ]

I always thought it was an intergalactic turd.

[JimRed]

Closer to the Sun, increased effect of Sun’s gravity, acceleration. It ain’t rocket science!

[Swordmaker]

To add to the absurdity, while making claims about the scientists being incorrect, you appear to be just making up your own numbers. You claimed that the Carina-Near-Moving-Group is 8,000 to 10,000 light years away. This is simply not true. The Carina group is 100 light years away, and the Columbia association is 160 light years away. (from your posting) “The real fact are that the Carina-Near-Moving-Group of stars is NOT that far away as the bozos writing this article claim, but more like 8,000 to 10,000 light years”

I looked it up… now the article citing where the Carina near moving group might be may be wrong, but that was where the citation located them as being. Eta Carinae for which the group is named, and part of the group of 20 stars, is ~7,500 light years distance (2,300 parsecs). That seems to confirm my estimate for the center of the group. The article did indeed cite 100 to 160 MILLION light years distance, in the eleventh and twelfth paragraphs of the article (Emphasis mine):

”According to the research, which used computer models to track the historical orbit of Oumuamua, the object has two possible points of origin.

They're clusters of stars called the Carina Moving Group and the Columbia association, about 100 and 160million light-years away respectively.”

I did indeed actually state in my post that the supposed “molecular clouds” existed between the cited groups of stars and the Solar system, but the very poorly written article, and I criticized roundly The Sun, which I have done before for their “scientific” reporting, for citing a “paper” which is pure speculation based on very little fact, and mostly mere supposition, is really pure hype. Did you miss the part of my criticizing the writing in the entire article? Shall I quote “BOZOS writing this article“ indicating that I was well aware of the difference between the authors of the paper and the writer of the ARTICLE??? Apparently you did not grasp that even though you quoted me in your post!

Reading and comprehension is important.

[sipster]

Shall I quote the very first line of your post?

“These ‘scientists’ claim this object is approximately ‘35,000,000 years old; but then later try to tell us it originated from a hydrogen cloud 100 to 160 million light years away???!!!!”

You later refer to the person writing the article - but not in your opening line. You clearly refer to the scientists in it. It is the second word in your post.

Hence why you appear confused.

[Swordmaker]

Have you read the actual preliminary paper? I have… it actually says little about ‘Oumuamua being created in a cloud between the either Carina or Columba group and the Solar System but instead spends a lot of time occupied in comparing characteristics of both the Borokov Object and ‘Oumuamua with those two groups of stars postulated as one of either of those groups as the source, giving a cloud in the Carina group a `~70% preference as the authors’ preferred choice.

” Of these 6 young associations, only CAR and COL intersect with ‘Oumuamua’s trajectory at their corre- sponding ages of 30 and 42 Myr. In particular, the CAR association appears to move in concert with ‘Oumuamua and maximizes its 1-σ intersection volume with the ISO at around 34 Myr. The 34 Myr peak of CAR’s inter- section volume is in agreement with the ∼25-30 Myr old age based on lithium depletion method and its color magnitude diagram (Schneider et al. 2019). COL while also intersecting with the ISO, does not maximize its 1-σ intersection volume at 42Myr. This suggests that ‘Oumuamua more likely originated from CAR than from COL.

…

We obtain ejection speeds of 1.67 km s⁻¹ and 0.85 km s⁻¹ for CAR(ina) and COL(umba) respectively. We note that the current position of ‘Oumuamua is closer to the cluster center than the furthest association star for both CAR and COL, which would be expected for a member of either of these associations, and the modest speed is consistent with both the disk ejection and molecular cloud byproduct hypotheses (Gaidos et al. 2017; Seligman & Laughlin 2020).

An order-of-magnitude estimate seems to distinguish between the scenarios. Using the Do et al. (2018) estimate of 4 M_⊕ pc⁻³, and spherical volumes defined by the furthest member in the cluster (∼ 55pc for CAR, ∼ 70 pc for COL, see Figure 6), one finds a combined volume for CAR and COL of ∼ 2.1 × 10⁶ pc³. Naively, this implies an enormous total of ∼ 8.5×10⁶ M_⊕ in ‘Oumuamua-like objects originating from CAR and COL.”

The authors also admit the extreme difficulty of formation of hydrogen ice in the proposed conditions — most theoretical proposals for solid forms of hydrogen require low temperature and extreme high pressure, which would not exist in the clouds proposed, but might be found in the cores of gas giant planets— and suggest a fallback proposal of nitrogen ice for ‘Oumuamua.

Now, for the math… if we assume a velocity of 200,000 MPH for 100 light years (accepting your distance to the Carina Group) from the closest edge of that group of stars, then ‘Oumuamua could make ~335,538years, give or take a few hundred thousand for wandering around inside the group before being squirted out.

My point is that papers like this are all speculation built on minimal data, with very little to build their case on. They’re a house of cards built on similar papers built on similar lack of data. For example the "age" is assumed by the amount of Lithium in relation to Hydrogen but they aren’t sure of the hydrogen or the lithium as they admit they have ZERO out gassing and only reflected spectra to work on, AND they assumption extend to a thoroughly theoretical modality of object creation. This results in a question begging conclusion chasing circular reasoning where they prove their beginnings and endings in a circular roundabout.

[sipster]

The article incorrectly stated 100 to 160 million light years. The actual source material the journalist was using stated 100 to 160 light years (no millions involved).

[SunkenCiv]

This topic was posted 6/3/2021, thanks blueplum.

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The mystery of 'Oumuamua has finally been solved! At least, a new explanation of the interstellar object 'Oumuamua is the most plausible explanation published yet. No, it's not aliens, but it's amazingly cool. 'Oumuamua is a fragment of nitrogen ice shattered from an exo-Pluto in a young exoplanetary system in the Perseus Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy! This new work explains 'Oumuamua's weird size, shape, and mysterious acceleration it had as it was leaving our Solar System.

'Oumuamua's mystery is finally solved! | March 31, 2021 | Launch Pad Astronomy

[BenLurkin]

[BenLurkin]

Have to hand it to scientists. They are never reticent to claim that they have an answer, and pretend it is the final answer. Until the next egghead comes up with the “answer.”

[SunkenCiv]

Keywords Oumuamua and Borisov, sorted, duplicates out:

• HARVARD SCIENTIST SUGGESTS THAT OUR UNIVERSE WAS CREATED IN A LABORATORY [10/17/2021]
• Extrasolar Object Interceptor Would be Able to Chase Down the Next Oumuamua or Borisov and Actually Return a Sample [05/15/2021]
• The Harvard Prof Who Insists We Are Not Alone [03/06/2021]
• Searching For Extraterrestrial Life Like 'Sherlock Holmes' [01/22/2021]
• Another "Oumuamua" Plot Twist: Leading Explanation For Interstellar Object Is Aliens Again [08/26/2020]
• A Cool Idea to Catch Up With an Interstellar Visitor [05/10/2020]
• It Came From Outside Our Solar System and Now It's Breaking Up [04/08/2020]
• Researchers believe interstellar comet Borisov is breaking apart [03/25/2020]
• Interstellar Comet Borisov Shines in Incredible New Hubble Photos [12/15/2019]
• Interstellar comet will pass close to Earth this weekend [12/07/2019]
• How two intruders from interstellar space are upending astronomy [11/21/2019]
• Here's the Picture We've Been Waiting for. Hubble's Photo of Interstellar Comet 2I/Borisov [10/17/2019]
• Astronomers find cyanide gas in interstellar object 2I/Borisov [10/08/2019]
• First measurements of 'interstellar comet' [C/2019 Q4 (Borisov)] [09/18/2019]
• An interstellar comet looks to be heading our way [09/11/2019]
• Mysterious interstellar object Oumuamua is not an alien spaceship but scientists are still baffled [07/01/2019]
• Meteor that hit Earth came from beyond the solar system [04/21/2019]
• 'Oumuamua “Sped Up” in the Inner Solar System. This Might Be Why. [03/13/2019]
• 7 of the Oddest Things about 'Oumuamua Other than Its Name [12/29/2018]
• SETI Astronomers Find No Evidence for Artificial Transmitters on Oumuamua [12/09/2018]
• Mysterious interstellar object conundrum intensifies as NASA reveals it didn't originally see it [11/18/2018]
• Interstellar Comet Oumuamua is Smaller than Previously Thought, Has Highly Reflective Surface [11/16/2018]
• Scientists Now Say Interstellar Object May Have Been Alien Probe [11/07/2018]
• Scientists push back against Harvard 'alien spacecraft' theory [Oumuamua] [11/07/2018]
• Mysterious interstellar object could be 'lightsail' sent from another civilization [11/05/2018]
• NASA solves mystery of cigar-shaped UFO, believed to carry alien life [09/29/2018]
• Interstellar asteroid update [guess]: It's a comet! [06/28/2018]
• A star disturbed the comets of the solar system 70,000 years ago [03/20/2018]
• 1st Known Interstellar Visitor Gets Weirder: 'Oumuamua Likely Had 2 Stars [03/19/2018]
• Interstellar object Oumuamua tumbling chaotically [02/13/2018]
• Scientists Reveal Interstellar Object 'Oumuamua' Has Organic Shell [12/20/2017]
• Leading Astronomers: Oumuamua Is 'Alien Probe With Broken Engines,' Could Have Hostile Intentions [12/14/2017]
• Has an alien probe entered our solar system? Cigar-shaped interstellar 'comet' ... [12/12/2017]
• Alien Probe or Galactic Driftwood? SETI Tunes In to 'Oumuamua [pronounced 'Yo Mama'] [12/11/2017]
• Project Lyra, a Mission to Chase Down that Interstellar Asteroid [11/24/2017]
• Solar System's First Interstellar Visitor Dazzles Scientists [11/23/2017]
• ESO Observations Show First Interstellar Asteroid is Like Nothing Seen Before [11/20/2017]
• First interstellar asteroid is like nothing seen before [11/20/2017]
• Meet 'Oumuamua! The 1st Interstellar Visitor Ever Seen Gets a Name [11/16/2017]
• This mystery object may be our first visitor from another solar system [10/27/2017]
• Researchers observe the first known interstellar comet [10/26/2017]
• Wrong-Way, Daredevil Asteroid Plays 'Chicken' with Jupiter [03/30/2017]
• A close call of 0.8 light years [Nibiru?] [02/22/2015]
• Star Blasted Through Solar System 70,000 Years Ago [02/18/2015]

[tet68]

“What possible force could have been applied to Oumuamua to accelerate it away from the cold, dusty, gassy, clumpy area to ~200,000 MPH and into an interstellar orbit to intersect our Solar System?”

Me, me! I’ll take a guess...gravity?

[SunkenCiv]

I have to hand it to these scientists. Like all real scientists, they base their claim on analysis of available data, and as new data came in, they integrated it into their analysis, instead of relying on earlier conclusions based on less complete information.

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[mad_as_he$$]

It’s a Baby Ruth!

[cgbg]

The key thing to understand about the new religion of “science” is that they have banned telos outside of human beings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telos

Bad assumptions will lead to really dumb conclusions.