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Archaeology fossil teeth discovery in Germany could re-write human history
Deutsche Welle ^ | 19.10.2017 | Alistair Walsh

Posted on 11/02/2019 10:01:04 AM PDT by gnarledmaw

A 9.7-million-year-old discovery has left a team of German scientists scratching their heads. The teeth seem to belong to a species only known to have appeared in Africa several million years later.

A team of German archaeologists discovered a puzzling set of teeth in the former riverbed of the Rhine, the Museum of Natural History in Mainz announced on Wednesday.

The teeth don't appear to belong to any species discovered in Europe or Asia. They most closely resemble those belonging to the early hominin skeletons of Lucy (Australopithecus afarensis) and Ardi (Ardipithecus ramidus), famously discovered in Ethiopia.

But these new teeth, found in the western German town of Eppelsheim near Mainz, are at least 4 million years older than the African skeletons, which has scientists so puzzled they held off publishing for a year.

A specialist team will be carrying out further tests on the teeth.

"They are clearly ape-teeth," head of the team Herbert Lutz was quoted as saying by local online news outlet Merkurist (link in German) . "Their characteristics resemble African finds that are four to five million years younger than the fossils excavated in Eppelsheim. This is a tremendous stroke of luck, but also a great mystery."

In the press conference announcing the find, Mainz Mayor Michael Ebling claimed the find would force scientists to reconsider the history of early mankind.

"I don't want to over-dramatize it, but I would hypothesize that we shall have to start rewriting the history of mankind after today," Ebling was quoted as saying.

Regional archaeologist in the state of Rhineland-Palatinate Axel von Berg told news outlets that he was sure the the finds would receive a lot of attention. "This will amaze experts," he told a daily for the Rhine and Main river regions, Allgemeine Zeitung (link in German) .

The first paper on the find will be uploaded to Researchgate in a week's time. The teeth are still being examined in detail, but from the end of October they will be displayed at the Rhineland-Palatinate state exhibition "vorZEITEN" (link in German), after which they will go on display at the Museum of Natural History in Mainz, according to Die Welt (link in German).

The teeth were found by scientists sifting through gravel and sand in the bed of the Ur-Rhine, the former course of the river Rhine. The area has been a hotbed of fossil remains since 1820, when the first ape fossils were found. Since 2001, 25 new species have been discovered.

The teeth were found next to the remains of an extinct genus of horse, which helped them date the teeth.


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: anthropology; ardipithecus; australopithecus; eppelsheim; germany; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; missinglink; origins; palaeoanthropology; paleontology
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To: Grimmy
I’ve often wondered if the reason that they only find stuff old enough to claim “source of humans” in Africa was because Africa was the only place the dig teams looked for stuff old enough to claim “source of humans”.That is, after all, one of the career killer theories to challenge
/bingo

41 posted on 11/02/2019 12:36:32 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Jim 0216
Of course you did, please do not tell me you would exercise absolute denial to support your argument in this debate. Amnesia maybe? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt with possible temporary amnesia.

"To: gnarledmaw

Most likely, archaeological false teeth as these "discoveries" trying to predate man prior to about 6000 years sooner or later turn up bogus.

2 posted on 11/2/2019, 10:05:34 AM by Jim 0216 (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)"

42 posted on 11/02/2019 12:44:36 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Openurmind

You’re having trouble distinguishing between the age of man and the age of the earth.

Like I said, come back when you unconfuse your mind.


43 posted on 11/02/2019 12:48:43 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Getready

Assuming the topography of the earth is unchanged from today’s arrangement may not be so. No?


May be a bit more change than likely in the last 8 million years or so. The continents move, but not that much to have Africa upstream from Germany.


44 posted on 11/02/2019 12:54:27 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: Jim 0216

You are diverting from the original topic. The same illogical distortions have been applied to both.

And there it is... Back on topic. “It is what I say it is, and as a righteous true believer, I have the final say and authority in the matter period”.

And you have every right to believe as YOU would like...

But stalking others with an obsessive agenda to force ideology on them and try to shame them for posting something is disrespectful at the least. You are like a vulture just waiting for these threads to pop up. :)


45 posted on 11/02/2019 1:22:07 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: gnarledmaw
In the press conference announcing the find, Mainz Mayor Michael Ebling claimed the find would force scientists to reconsider the history of early mankind.

The age of man, not the age of the earth.

Please, you're a waste of time.

Go away and untangle your mind.

46 posted on 11/02/2019 1:26:36 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: TomServo

Der Master Race, Ja! /sarc>


47 posted on 11/02/2019 1:54:49 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change with out notice.)
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To: hanamizu

True, but washed in would certainly make the dates suspect.


48 posted on 11/02/2019 2:13:59 PM PDT by Adder (Mr. Franklin: We are trying to get the Republic back!)
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To: gnarledmaw

This is why I do not buy H. B. Leaky’s theory that all life started in Africa. Because Africa has the kind of climate that favors the preservation of fossils, they can try to sell that theory, but it does not hold up if you look at discoveries like this one.


49 posted on 11/02/2019 4:51:45 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Openurmind; Jim 0216
"This is a self righteous extremist elitist point of view based on 1600’s style fanaticism... "

This is the guy responsible for all the 'new earth' crap. I don't know why people insist on polluting my religion with this BS.

James Ussher

"James Ussher (or Usher; 4 January 1581 – 21 March 1656) was the Church of Ireland Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland between 1625 and 1656. He was a prolific scholar and church leader, who today is most famous for his identification of the genuine letters of the church father, Ignatius, and for his chronology that sought to establish the time and date of the creation as "the entrance of the night preceding the 23rd day of October... the year before Christ 4004"; that is, around 6 pm on 22 October 4004 BC, per the proleptic Julian calendar. "

He made it up.

I've had good intentioned people tell me 'it's in the Bible.'

BS!!

50 posted on 11/02/2019 9:56:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Oh I know, I’m hip to Ussher, and this Gentleman and I have debated this before. And if Jim wants to believe this it’s just fine for him and I support that. But the stalking just to try and discredit and shame anyone thinks otherwise is getting old.

There are a couple here who do this. Look at who was first to post to the thread, like a vulture they watch for these to pop up so they can dump on them. Here is a good reference to the concept in this debate for you to archive.

http://godandscience.org/youngearth/age_of_the_earth.html


51 posted on 11/03/2019 4:21:09 AM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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