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NASA’s Hubble telescope detects supermassive black hole that defies theoretical models
FoxNews.com/science ^ | July 12, 2019 | Bradford Betz | Fox News

Posted on 07/12/2019 8:37:51 PM PDT by ETL

NASA’s Hubble telescope has recently discovered a supermassive black hole that defies existing theories about the universe, a report said.

The black hole, which is about 250 million times heavier [more massive] than the sun, lies at the heart of the spiral galaxy NGC 3147 and is 140 million light-years from Earth.

The Hubble telescope has detected a supermassive black hole that technically shouldn't exist, according to new findings.

Spotted around the black hole was a thin “accretion disk” containing debris and gas rapidly pacing around the edge, according to findings published Thursday in the journal Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society.

The black hole was unusual in that its gravitational pull was not capturing the disk of material, which was moving at 10 percent the speed of light, according to the journal.

Lead author Stefano Bianchi said it’s “the same type of disk we see in objects that are 1,000 or even 100,000 times more luminous.”

“The predictions of current models for gas dynamics in very faint active galaxies clearly failed,” Bianchi added.

By observing the disk through blocking out starlight, researchers were able to better study processes happening close to the black hole’s edge.

The team said they plan to study more galaxies with the Hubble Space Telescope in the future to find similar disks of material.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Hobbies; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; nasa; ngc3147; science; stefanobianchi; stringtheory
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To: ETL

Thing about that first pic is it depicts a gravitational spiraling in of mass to infinitely dense mass. Light is snuffed out.

What it doesn’t depict are the infinity points of origin.

What about mass from the north and south pole of the hole?

Does a black hole spin on axis or is it a stationary singularity that takes all matter and light from infinite trajectories.

Cute graphic. Not buying its representation of reality.


21 posted on 07/12/2019 9:14:14 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

I’m sure President Trump and “global warming” caused this anomaly.


22 posted on 07/12/2019 9:18:13 PM PDT by chuckb87
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To: ETL

I’ve been thinking for the past few days about Hubble’s future.

And also about the abandoned TAU Project. TAU stood for Thousands of Astronomical Units. It was intended as a way to get a telescope up above the galactic plane, and over the dust in that plane to get a direct optical view of the center of the galaxy.

See where I’m going with this?

We have a perfectly good (indeed, OUTSTANDING!) telescope already in space. A few modifications, remove the solar panels, replace them with deep space SNAP generators. Add an ion drive rocket, a bigger data transceiver, and a few other odds and sods. Orient the telescope to roughly the galactic plane and very slowly spin it like a bottle so that it pans the entire galaxy say once a day (week or month).

Visualize this as the telescope being the top bar of a ‘T’ (or tau) with the enhanced data link, ion engine, and such forming the stem of the ‘T’.

At a very modest 0.01g acceleration, it would be 10,000 AU above the galactic plane in 5 1/2 years.

We’d have clear photos, clear optical photos of the galactic core. We’d have millions of images of our local neighborhood, and a very long baseline for exactly calibrating distances to stars in our own galaxy.

We’d be able to actually see the other arms of our galaxy! Right now we’re stuck down in the smog, and like a mid 70s Angelino, we can’t even see the local mountains! (execept they had occasional clear days!)


23 posted on 07/12/2019 9:20:34 PM PDT by null and void (The Left isn't banning "Hate Speech", they are banning speech they hate. BIG difference.)
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To: ETL

Could black holes exist to balance the expansion of the Universe?


24 posted on 07/12/2019 9:32:01 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: ETL
the Hubble, you mean the same Hubble they've been trying to KILL for the last how many years, that obsolete Hubble that costs too much... that Hubble???

go figure

25 posted on 07/12/2019 9:33:02 PM PDT by Chode (Send bachelors, and come heavily armed!)
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To: ETL

The thing about the toilet bowl graphic, is you are spiraling down from surface x to a center of gravity.

All it is, is a convenient representation of acceleration.

In the case of a black hole, matter falls straight in from infinite trajectories,

The event horizon is where speeds exceed light.


26 posted on 07/12/2019 9:38:42 PM PDT by Eddie01
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To: Eddie01
Thing about that first pic is it depicts a gravitational spiraling in of mass to infinitely dense mass. Light is snuffed out. What it doesn’t depict are the infinity points of origin. What about mass from the north and south pole of the hole? Does a black hole spin on axis or is it a stationary singularity that takes all matter and light from infinite trajectories. Cute graphic. Not buying its representation of reality.

The first graphic doesn't depict anything spiraling in or falling in to a black hole. It's a 2-dimensional representation of (3-d) space-time around a generic black hole. It could represent just about any black hole. That is, any black hole with about the same amount of mass as contained within its center (singularity). ie, a BH with a much greater amount of mass at its center(singularity) would stretch the space-time grids even more than those in the graphic.

The "grids" are a 2-d representation of the 3-d (actually 4-d) space-time geometry around a black hole.

In a region of space relatively devoid of gravitational fields the 3-d representation of space-time would very much resemble a Rubric's Cube (90-degree angles). Gravity distorts the dimensionality of the grids and thereby the nature of space, time, and even mass, to a degree dependent upon the observer's location with respect to the source of the field.

BTW, the little 'dots' depict stars, not matter or anything else falling into the black hole...


27 posted on 07/12/2019 9:49:36 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Plus MUCH more!! Click ETL...)
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To: Eddie01
So not a swirling drain but instead jumping straight in?


28 posted on 07/12/2019 9:51:27 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire. Or both.)
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To: Rebelbase
Could black holes exist to balance the expansion of the Universe?

If that were their 'function' they're failing at it. Because not only is the universe NOT slowing down (due to the combined gravitational effects of objects within it) its expansion rate is actually increasing! At during the course of the past several billion years, so they think, at least at this time. They base this on their direct observations of deep space objects and how fast they seem to be moving away from us, using various speed-measuring techniques.

29 posted on 07/12/2019 9:59:43 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Plus MUCH more!! Click ETL...)
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To: BenLurkin

:O-BA-MA!!:


30 posted on 07/12/2019 10:08:18 PM PDT by ETL (REAL Russia collusion! Plus MUCH more!! Click ETL...)
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To: neverevergiveup

That is funny. Good one nevergiveup.


31 posted on 07/12/2019 10:43:35 PM PDT by highpockets
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To: SunkenCiv

*ping*


32 posted on 07/12/2019 10:45:26 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Who will think of the gerbils ? Just say no to Buttgiggity !)
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Thanks fieldmarshaldj.

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33 posted on 07/13/2019 12:25:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: null and void

Getting to the Hubble is a it of a problem ...


34 posted on 07/13/2019 2:29:30 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: ETL

I’m calling BS. I don’t see a black hole in that picture, just a regular galaxy.


35 posted on 07/13/2019 3:18:23 AM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: ETL

Wait...whuh? A black hole that doesn’t suck?


36 posted on 07/13/2019 4:20:08 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches, or Trump in general, while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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To: PIF

DETAILS!


37 posted on 07/13/2019 5:52:34 AM PDT by null and void (The Left isn't banning "Hate Speech", they are banning speech they hate. BIG difference.)
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To: ETL

“technically shouldn’t exist” Stupidity runs rampant.

It does exist, and so the theories are wrong and need to be corrected!


38 posted on 07/13/2019 6:14:37 AM PDT by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: null and void

You need a space shuttle or something which does not exist to get there ...


39 posted on 07/13/2019 6:30:11 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

Like a BFR?

A man’s reach should exceed his grasp...


40 posted on 07/13/2019 6:31:55 AM PDT by null and void (The Left isn't banning "Hate Speech", they are banning speech they hate. BIG difference.)
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