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3,700-year-old Babylonian tablet rewrites the history of maths - and shows the Greeks did not...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/08/24/3700-year-old-babylonian-tablet-rewrites-history-maths-could/ ^ | 24 August 2017 • 7:00pm | Sarah Knapton, Science Editor

Posted on 08/24/2017 7:42:25 PM PDT by BenLurkin

The tablet, known as Plimpton 332, was discovered in the early 1900s...

Babylonian mathematics used a base 60, or sexagesimal system, rather than the 10 which is used today. Because 60 is far easier to divide by three, experts studying the tablet, found that the calculations are far more accurate.

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Hipparchus, who lived around 120BC, has long been regarded as the father of trigonometry, with his ‘table of chords’ on a circle considered the oldest trigonometric table.

A trigonometric table allows a user to determine two unknown ratios of a right-angled triangle using just one known ratio. But the tablet is far older than Hipparchus, demonstrating that the Babylonians were already well advanced in complex mathematics far earlier.

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The 15 rows on the tablet describe a sequence of 15 right-angle triangles, which are steadily decreasing in inclination.

The left-hand edge of the tablet is broken but the researchers believe t there were originally six columns and that the tablet was meant to be completed with 38 rows.

“Plimpton 322 was a powerful tool that could have been used for surveying fields or making architectural calculations to build palaces, temples or step pyramids,” added Dr Mansfield.

The new study is published in Historia Mathematica, the official journal of the International Commission on the History of Mathematics.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: 60; ancientmath; babylonian; babylonians; base60; cuneiform; edgarbanks; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; greeks; history; math; plimpton332; sexagesimal; sexagesimalsystem; trig; trigonometry
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To: exDemMom

> This makes no logical sense. Calculations of what are more accurate? And as long as one is using integers, there is always a point at which dividing by three leads to an indefinable number, no matter what the starting number is. Now, if one chooses to use other types of numbers—for instance, fractions—many more opportunities for accurate calculations come up. And a whole lot of messiness can be avoided by using pi in one’s calculations.

They’re more accurate because you can hold a much larger chunk of a fraction in a base 60 system than in a base 10 system in the same amount of column space. Tables are always approximations within a given space.

Base 10 math is was created so that dumber people could do math. Larger bases are preferable if you have the brain power to work with them.


21 posted on 08/24/2017 8:38:31 PM PDT by JohnyBoy
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To: exDemMom

makes total sense if you see this as a matter of POLITICS and not actual documented history.


22 posted on 08/24/2017 8:40:19 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BenLurkin
Wait what? You mean mussies didn't invent it? Oh noes! 😱😱😱😱😱
23 posted on 08/24/2017 8:45:42 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

How does that apply to the music scales? there are not 60 notes.


24 posted on 08/24/2017 8:46:46 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BenLurkin

4Ltr


25 posted on 08/24/2017 9:08:06 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: BenLurkin
Just think about it. If some Babylonian butterfingers hadn't dropped the tablet and broken off some of the columns they might be ruling us to this day! As it turned out, their ziggurats, built with inferior math as they were, all seem to have faded away ... 🤓
26 posted on 08/24/2017 9:08:31 PM PDT by Vesparado (The American people know what they want and they deserve to get it good and hard --- HL Mencken)
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To: BenLurkin

NOPE, base 10 it is for me. Ten fingers. This sounds like hogwash.


27 posted on 08/24/2017 9:10:59 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: mrsmith

‘It only involves ratios; you don’t need to study trigonometry, sin, cosx, tan.”uh huh, NO! Sounds like Common Core Math Gibberish to me. These are the folks who bring us ‘new ways’ of doing multiplication that absolutely NO teacher can teach and NO student has a clue about.

I’m sticking with Euclid thanks.


28 posted on 08/24/2017 9:13:31 PM PDT by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: a fool in paradise

Not just that but as Islam spread libraries burned, everywhere. The Islamophiles want us to be thankful for the small portion that the Muslims didn’t burn ... which is like a woman being told to be thankful for that one time in ten she wasn’t violently raped.


29 posted on 08/24/2017 9:14:36 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Enchante

I thought it was Austin Powers.


30 posted on 08/24/2017 9:15:37 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: BenLurkin

Saw this ... looked into it. Did the arithmetic on the first entry, which seems to verify that it is trigonometric in nature ... unless the relations among the 3 numbers of the first line are insanely coincidental!

Naturally the news wants to hype this up. It’s incredible enough to me that the Babylonians could do ( albeit simple ) trigonmetric calcuations to this degree of precision.

I think “precision” is the watchword. That seemed to be their obsession. ( One I share! )


31 posted on 08/24/2017 9:16:51 PM PDT by dr_lew (I)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s Greek to me!


33 posted on 08/24/2017 9:45:14 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: BenLurkin

Whether or not the base 60 system is superior this shows the Greeks did not steal trig from the Babylonians or their system would also be base 60.


34 posted on 08/24/2017 9:45:46 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (Let's start putting signs on Confederate statues that read "DEMOCRAT".)
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To: BenLurkin

They were this smart 3,700 years ago yet....
I bet the politicians of the time stopped progress for their selfish reasons just like today.

Imagine what could have been. Travel to the stars for your vacation. Electric cars powered by unicorns....


35 posted on 08/24/2017 9:54:38 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: BenLurkin

Base 60 is so weird...


36 posted on 08/24/2017 9:59:05 PM PDT by GOPJ (Trump stood behind Hillary for 47 seconds in a debate - now she wants an eternal pity party.)
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To: GOPJ
Base 60 is so weird...

What grasshopper? ... Not weird at all, master!

37 posted on 08/24/2017 10:06:03 PM PDT by dr_lew (I)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Off the cuff, and by no means authoritative ...

The Babylonians were advanced insofar as they had a “place” system, which gave them great facility in calculation.

The Greeks thought geometrically, and did not emphasize calculation. If you peruse the writings of Apollonius of Perga on the Conic Sections, you will see all the familiar properties of ellipses, parabolas, and hyperbolas laid out in a completely incomprehensible abstract form.

Thankfully, one may find graphical animations on the internet showing how these abstract relations relate to our familiar analytic descriptions.

Giving all credit to the Babylonians, they did not rise to the level of mathematical sophistication we inherit from the Greeks.


38 posted on 08/24/2017 10:20:50 PM PDT by dr_lew (I)
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To: bboop; mrsmith

Look into rational trigonometry.


39 posted on 08/24/2017 10:29:48 PM PDT by Ray76 (Republicans are a Democrat party front group.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Divide an interval of a fifth by an interval of a third.


40 posted on 08/24/2017 10:34:17 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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