Posted on 02/05/2016 9:06:30 PM PST by TBP
I had Trump, Carson & Rubio voters tell me at our Iowa Caucus that I couldn't vote 4 Cruz because he was not a citizen! That's a caucus 4 u
You need to reread Article 2, Section, 1, clause 5 and notice the time frame.
You also need to read Article 1, Section 8, clause 4 , the first half.
You need to read Article 2, Section, 1, clause 5 and notice the time frame.
You also need to read Article 1, Section 8, clause 4 , the first half.
American History needs to be taught again in our schools.
As a matter of fact, if it weren’t for the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, which provides that one who acquires United States citizenship by virtue of having been born abroad to parents, one of whom is an American citizen, who has met certain residence requirements, shall lose his citizenship unless he resides in this country continuously for five years between the ages of 14 and 28, I might even doubt his American citizenship. But of course this was well after the founders had departed this good earth, and by virtue of that he is indeed a U.S. citizen.
A person born to a US citizen single parent in the USA is automatically “naturalized at birth.” As long as that citizen is under the “Jurisdiction” of the USA. That citizen cannot be trying to undermine the USA, because he is then not under the “jurisdiction” of the USA. Jurisdiction is the thing that protects from insurrection.
The transformation from kingdoms, whatever required a whole new way of thinking in a "Constitutional Republic."
All citizens in the US today are "naturalized" by statute or term of residence/education/legal means.
Report it to Fox News. I’m sure they’ll make it a breaking news story and start ripping those campaigns for this dishonest, dirty trick against Cruz. /sarc
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Only a person born in America or is a citizen of America at the time the Constitution is adopted is eligible to be President. The part, or is a citizen of America, was included because those born here were too young to be President. It only encompassed the period until those born here were old enough to meet the age requirement. That part is now defunct. You aren't implying that someone who immigrates here and becomes a naturalized citizen is the same as a "natural born" citizen, are you?
Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
A uniform rule of naturalization, has absolutely nothing to do with being a "natural born" citizen, but everything to do with those who come here to make America their home. It's the process they must go through to become a naturalized citizen. That process must be uniform so that it does not change from one immigrant to the next and possibly favor one immigrant over another based upon where they immigrated from.
Apparently you are under the delusion that I am a younger person than I am. I am 63 years old, and closer to 64 than 63. So yes, I learned all of this in school, and yes it needs to be taught again.
What exactly was your point of this exercise anyway? I still stand by my contention that Ted Cruz is not a "natural born" citizen as intended by our Founding Fathers. There is no doubt though as to his being a U.S. citizen by virtue of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, through his mother's citizenship.
Wrong...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
The use of the phrase “natural born” was not without precedent. Statutes in England prior to American independence used the phrase “natural born subject”. For example, the British Foreign Protestants Naturalization Act 1708:[10][11]
The children of all natural born subjects born out of the ligeance [i.e. out of England] of Her Majesty Her Heirs and Successors shall be deemed and adjudged to be natural born subjects of this Kingdom to all intents, constructions, and purposes whatsoever.
Another example is the Plantation Act 1740:[12]
[A]ll persons born out of the legience of His Majesty, His Heirs, or Successors, who have . . . or shall inhabit or reside for . . . seven years or more in any of His Majesty’s colonies in America . . . shall be deemed, adjudged, and taken to be His Majesty’s natural-born subjects of this Kingdom.
Ted Cruz's parents were not out of the country in service to the United States. In fact his father had either applied for Canadian citizenship, or had already been granted Canadian citizenship. Which is why Ted held dual citizenships of Canada, as well as, America up until 4 years ago when he renounced his Canadian citizenship.
A natural born citizen has no other country laying claims on them by which they are granting them citizenship to a foreign country.
You also have to place yourself back into the timeframe our Founders were operating in. Citizenship was passed on to offspring by virtue of the citizenship of the father, not the mother. Same held true in Britain as well.
You are going to need to get off the crack!
The moment Ted Cruz was born of a natural born American mother, Ted Cruz became a natural born American citizen, irrespective of where he was born at.
And by the way, when is Donald Trump going to renounce his natural born British citizenship?
But the simple fact of it all is that I see reality for what it is, am not delusional, but you are the opposite of all of that.
Yes.
So Donald Trump, who's mother was a natural born British citizen and is therefore a British citizen, is not a natural born American citizen then I take it?
So how come you are spewing out birther garbage like someone who is on crack then?
Cruz had Canadian citizenship because they had birthright citizenship for people born on their soil as a law, not because of who his parents were.
Other countries don’t get to decide our citizenship status. No citizenship law in the world has ever said that you lose your U.S. citizenship at birth if another country happens to give you citizenship at the same time. It’s impossible to express how totally absurd you arguing that is. That would mean if an american and a canadian have a child in the U.S., that you would deny that child citizenship just because Canada also grants the child citizenship because one parent was from Canada. Do you know how ridiculous that is and how much of a legal mess it would create if true? You have to argue the facts. You can’t just make up bizarre laws willy-nilly that have never existed in the world. There is ABSOLUTELY NO test on U.S. citizenship that denies it to you based on having birthright citizenship to another country at the same time.
Likewise, there is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that discussed parents being out of the country on military service. If you’re taking later laws into account, then we can all agree Ted Cruz is natural-born, because the laws absolutely gave him U.S. citizen at birth.
Pure Cruz juice! You treat the Constitution just like Cruz does.
Agreed. I think that Ted would pass the Framers’ allegiance test, but the circumstances of his birth don’t pass constitutional muster.
Geez...do you spout off like that every time you walk into a bar? That’s a surefire way to start a brawl.
So, I’m curious. Do you instead vote for a pro big government, pro single payer health care etc, because he says he’ll make America great again?
I’m honestly asking who will do what founding fathers intended.
Why not just become a believer?
It’s an amazing experience, knowing you belong to God and having the knowledge of knowing where you will be for eternity.
It would seem your heart is pretty close to the right place already.
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