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To: JediJones
No you are wrong JediJones. That would apply to someone like John McCain, who was born overseas while his father was absent the country in service to the United States. It does not apply to someone who immigrates here and has a child here. They are in no way "natural born" citizens. The children become naturalized citizens as do their parents when they become naturalized. Now if the parent is an American citizen before the birth of the child, then the child is a "natural born" citizen. If the parent had a child before they became a citizen then the are granted citizenship, but only as a naturalized citizen. Thus an immigrant could have one or more children that are naturalized citizens, and other children who are "natural born" citizens.

Ted Cruz's parents were not out of the country in service to the United States. In fact his father had either applied for Canadian citizenship, or had already been granted Canadian citizenship. Which is why Ted held dual citizenships of Canada, as well as, America up until 4 years ago when he renounced his Canadian citizenship.

A natural born citizen has no other country laying claims on them by which they are granting them citizenship to a foreign country.

You also have to place yourself back into the timeframe our Founders were operating in. Citizenship was passed on to offspring by virtue of the citizenship of the father, not the mother. Same held true in Britain as well.

48 posted on 02/06/2016 1:23:23 AM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: Robert DeLong
A natural born citizen has no other country laying claims on them by which they are granting them citizenship to a foreign country

So Donald Trump, who's mother was a natural born British citizen and is therefore a British citizen, is not a natural born American citizen then I take it?

53 posted on 02/06/2016 1:49:45 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Robert DeLong

Cruz had Canadian citizenship because they had birthright citizenship for people born on their soil as a law, not because of who his parents were.

Other countries don’t get to decide our citizenship status. No citizenship law in the world has ever said that you lose your U.S. citizenship at birth if another country happens to give you citizenship at the same time. It’s impossible to express how totally absurd you arguing that is. That would mean if an american and a canadian have a child in the U.S., that you would deny that child citizenship just because Canada also grants the child citizenship because one parent was from Canada. Do you know how ridiculous that is and how much of a legal mess it would create if true? You have to argue the facts. You can’t just make up bizarre laws willy-nilly that have never existed in the world. There is ABSOLUTELY NO test on U.S. citizenship that denies it to you based on having birthright citizenship to another country at the same time.

Likewise, there is absolutely nothing in the Constitution that discussed parents being out of the country on military service. If you’re taking later laws into account, then we can all agree Ted Cruz is natural-born, because the laws absolutely gave him U.S. citizen at birth.


55 posted on 02/06/2016 2:23:16 AM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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