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Physicists figure out how to retrieve information from a black hole
sciencemag.org ^ | 23 December 2015 3:15 pm | By Adrian Cho

Posted on 12/23/2015 1:17:47 PM PST by Red Badger

Black holes earn their name because their gravity is so strong not even light can escape from them. Oddly, though, physicists have come up with a bit of theoretical sleight of hand to retrieve a speck of information that's been dropped into a black hole. The calculation touches on one of the biggest mysteries in physics: how all of the information trapped in a black hole leaks out as the black hole "evaporates." Many theorists think that must happen, but they don't know how.

Unfortunately for them, the new scheme may do more to underscore the difficulty of the larger "black hole information problem" than to solve it. "Maybe others will be able to go further with this, but it's not obvious to me that it will help," says Don Page, a theorist at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, who was not involved in the work.

You can shred your tax returns, but you shouldn't be able to destroy information by tossing it into a black hole. That's because, even though quantum mechanics deals in probabilities—such as the likelihood of an electron being in one location or another—the quantum waves that give those probabilities must still evolve predictably, so that if you know a wave's shape at one moment you can predict it exactly at any future time. Without such "unitarity" quantum theory would produce nonsensical results such as probabilities that don't add up to 100%.

But suppose you toss some quantum particles into a black hole. At first blush, the particles and the information they encode is lost. That's a problem, as now part of the quantum state describing the combined black hole-particles system has been obliterated, making it impossible to predict its exact evolution and violating unitarity.

Physicists think they have a way out. In 1974, British theorist Stephen Hawking argued that black holes can radiate particles and energy. Thanks to quantum uncertainty, empty space roils with pairs of particles flitting in and out of existence. Hawking realized that if a pair of particles from the vacuum popped into existence straddling the black hole's boundary then one particle could fly into space, while the other would fall into the black hole. Carrying away energy from the black hole, the exiting Hawking radiation should cause a black hole to slowly evaporate. Some theorists suspect information reemerges from the black hole encoded in the radiation—although how remains unclear as the radiation is supposedly random.

Now, Aidan Chatwin-Davies, Adam Jermyn, and Sean Carroll of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena have found an explicit way to retrieve information from one quantum particle lost in a black hole, using Hawking radiation and the weird concept of quantum teleportation.

Quantum teleportation enables two partners, Alice and Bob, to transfer the delicate quantum state of one particle such as an electron to another. In quantum theory, an electron can spin one way (up), the other way (down), or literally both ways at once. In fact, its state can be described by a point on a globe in which north pole signifies up and the south pole signifies down. Lines of latitude denote different mixtures of up and down, and lines of longitude denote the "phase," or how the up and down parts mesh. However, if Alice tries to measure that state, it will "collapse" one way or the other, up or down, squashing information such as the phase. So she can't measure the state and send the information to Bob, but must transfer it intact.

To do that Alice and Bob can share an additional pair of electrons connected by a special quantum link called entanglement. The state of either particle in the entangled pair is uncertain—it simultaneously points everywhere on the globe—but the states are correlated so that if Alice measures her particle from the pair and finds it spinning, say, up, she'll know instantly that Bob's electron is spinning down. So Alice has two electrons—the one whose state she wants to teleport and her half of the entangled pair. Bob has just the one from the entangled pair.

To perform the teleportation, Alice takes advantage of one more strange property of quantum mechanics: that measurement not only reveals something about a system, it also changes its state. So Alice takes her two unentangled electrons and performs a measurement that "projects" them into an entangled state. That measurement breaks the entanglement between the pair of electrons that she and Bob share. But at the same time, it forces Bob's electron into the state that her to-be-teleported electron was in. It's as if, with the right measurement, Alice squeezes the quantum information from one side of the system to the other.

Chatwin-Davies and colleagues realized that they could teleport the information about the state of an electron out of a black hole, too. Suppose that Alice is floating outside the black hole with her electron. She captures one photon from a pair born from Hawking radiation. Much like an electron, the photon can spin in either of two directions, and it will be entangled with its partner photon that has fallen into the black hole. Next, Alice measures the total angular momentum, or spin, of the black hole—both its magnitude and, roughly speaking, how much it lines up with a particular axis. With those two bits of information in hand, she then tosses in her electron, losing it forever.

But Alice can still recover the information about the state of that electron, the team reports in a paper in press at Physical Review Letters. All she has to do is once again measure the spin and orientation of the black hole. Those measurements then entangle the black hole and the in-falling photon. They also teleport the state of the electron to the photon that Alice captured. Thus, the information from the lost electron is dragged back into the observable universe.

Chatwin-Davies stresses that the scheme is not a plan for a practical experiment. After all, it would require Alice to almost instantly measure the spin of a black hole as massive as the sun to within a single atom's spin. "We like to joke around that Alice is the most advanced scientist in the universe," he says.

The scheme also has major limitations. In particular, as the authors note, it works for one quantum particle, but not for two or more. That's because the recipe exploits the fact that the black hole conserves angular momentum, so that its final spin is equal to its initial spin plus that of the electron. That trick enables Alice to get out exactly two bits of information—the total spin and its projection along one axis—and that's just enough information to specify the latitude and longitude of quantum state of one particle. But it's not nearly enough to recapture all the information trapped in a black hole, which typically forms when a star collapses upon itself.

To really tackle the black hole information problem, theorists would also have to account for the complex states of the black hole's interior, says Stefan Leichenauer, a theorist at the University of California, Berkeley. "Unfortunately, all of the big questions we have about black holes are precisely about these internal workings," he says. "So, this protocol, though interesting in its own right, will probably not teach us much about the black hole information problem in general."

However, delving into the interior of black holes would require a quantum mechanical theory of gravity. Of course, developing such a theory is perhaps the grandest goal in all of theoretical physics, one that has eluded physicists for decades.


TOPICS: Astronomy; Education; History; Science
KEYWORDS: astronomy; blackhole; blackholes; informationparadox; physics; space; stringtheory
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To: Red Badger
Somebody has to say it:

Black Holes Matter!!

21 posted on 12/23/2015 1:40:33 PM PST by JaguarXKE (n1973: Reporters investigate All the President's Men. 2013: Reporters ARE all the President's men d)
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To: Red Badger

1. locate the black hole.
2. reach in.
3. locate the information needed.
4. remove hand from black hole.
5. move on to your next adventure.


22 posted on 12/23/2015 1:43:04 PM PST by choctaw man (Good ole Andrew Jackson, or You're the Reason God Made Oklahoma...)
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To: Red Badger

Perhaps they should focus on actually demonstrating that black holes exist before worrying whether they create a quantum information paradox?


23 posted on 12/23/2015 1:43:37 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Red Badger
Physicists figure out how to retrieve information from a black hole

How do you waterboard a black hole?

24 posted on 12/23/2015 1:45:33 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys-Can't drive, can't ski, can't fly, can't skipper a boat-But they know what's best for you.)
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To: jwalsh07

Thus the need for a Unified Theory of Everything...................


25 posted on 12/23/2015 1:45:41 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: N. Theknow

Pour water in until it fills up!..........................


26 posted on 12/23/2015 1:46:13 PM PST by Red Badger (READ MY LIPS: NO MORE BUSHES!...............)
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To: jwalsh07

Certainly, but I think physicists realize that is a smaller issue than the fact that, without something theoretically like black holes, their entire model of cosmology ceases to be of any use in describing observed astronomical phenomena...

They don’t have to reconcile GR and quantum mechanics, in fact, they have gotten along quite well for decades without doing that. They do kind of need to have a model that at least seems to explain the movement of planets, galaxies, etc, consistently, even if that model relies on several obvious “fudge factors”.


27 posted on 12/23/2015 1:47:59 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Red Badger

They are one step closer to being able to retrieve the truth from the MSM.


28 posted on 12/23/2015 2:00:37 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: Red Badger

So, if you divide by zero, the singularities would all cancel out, but you’ll lose the House and Senate. Got it.


29 posted on 12/23/2015 2:01:10 PM PST by sparklite2 (Islam = all bathwater, no baby.)
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To: Red Badger

But we HAVE the answer to life the universe and everything!
It’s 42.


30 posted on 12/23/2015 2:07:13 PM PST by mistfree (It's a very uncreative man who can't think of more than one way to spell a word.)
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To: Red Badger

#blackholesantimatter


31 posted on 12/23/2015 2:09:53 PM PST by o_1_2_3__ ( –)
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To: PGR88

32 posted on 12/23/2015 2:12:30 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Red Badger

But they still can’t retrieve obsma’s real birth certificate or immigration papers


33 posted on 12/23/2015 2:25:25 PM PST by faithhopecharity (Diff tween D's and R's is that the D's allow the poor to be corrupt, too. (O. Levant))
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To: Red Badger
You can shred your tax returns, but you shouldn't be able to destroy information by tossing it into a black hole.

Dear IRS auditor: All my tax returns were swallowed by a black hole but you should be able to retrieve them.

Please contact my representative quantum scientist for any questions you may have........

34 posted on 12/23/2015 2:36:42 PM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: Red Badger

Only about 391 more days until the Black Hole is out of office.


35 posted on 12/23/2015 2:46:23 PM PST by Pagey (HELL is The 2nd Term of a POTUS who is a MALICIOUS DIVIDER of humans)
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To: Boogieman

“Next, Alice measures the total angular momentum, or spin, of the black hole—both its magnitude and, roughly speaking, how much it lines up with a particular axis. With those two bits of information in hand, she then tosses in her electron, losing it forever.”

Ummmm.....doesn’t her measurement also force the collapse of the black hole’s cumulative wave function? :)


36 posted on 12/23/2015 2:51:40 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (If you haven't figured it out, there is a great falling away...happening before your eyes.)
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To: Red Badger

Retrieve it hell... Help me find the keys and we’ll drive it out.


37 posted on 12/23/2015 3:00:42 PM PST by bleach (If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong.)
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To: RginTN
Intersteller photo: intersteller Interstellar_zpsg1kfymb8.jpg good movie
38 posted on 12/23/2015 3:07:51 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Red Badger

I’ve looked at both the ‘Hawking radiation’ hypothesis and so-called ‘string theory’ and, as far as I can tell, black holes do not evaporate and sometimes information is indeed lost.


39 posted on 12/23/2015 3:36:12 PM PST by Cruising Speed
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To: Red Badger

Physicists figure out how to retrieve Lerner`s and Hillary`s lost Email information from a black hole


40 posted on 12/23/2015 3:41:33 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ((("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione."))))))
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