Posted on 01/30/2015 11:13:54 AM PST by Kartographer
A century and a half after it sank and a decade and a half after it was raised, scientists are finally getting a look at the hull of the Confederate submarine H.L. Hunley, the first sub in history to sink an enemy warship.
What they find may finally solve the mystery of why the hand-cranked submarine sank during the Civil War.
"It's like unwrapping a Christmas gift after 15 years. We have been wanting to do this for many years now," said Paul Mardikian, senior conservator on the Hunley project.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...
Oops, thought I’d pinged this once, missed it when I looked for it, so, wow, thank again momtothree, and that saves me looking for the third topic, which clearly hasn’t been seen yet. :’) Third ping’s the charm!
lol!
One of the jobs I tried on in my late teens was a laborer in a boilermakers. One of the jobs they put me on was cleaning the weld slag from the inside of a 20’ long boiler. In order to access the interior I had to squeeze myself through a porthole-sized hole. I managed to do it but discovered what claustrophobia was once inside. They fired me when I refused to go in again.
I accepted the dismissal with a big smile!
The Japanese used to have manned torpedoes.
Yipes! Awful assignment.
I have known since I was a child that I was claustrophobic — although I did not know the name for it. But it was not until I went for an MRI several years ago that I realized just how awful it was.
I did manage to stay in for almost the whole thing by keeping my eyes closed and praying the entire time. Started at my feet and I was able to withstand the panic until it got up to my head. Just could not bear it any more.
The clanging was just unbearable, and the stupid music they played to “drown out the noise” was useless. Some horrible new age junk with the sound of voices just making melodic sounds. I was thinking,”Great! They have put me in a coffin, and now I am hearing the angels!”
Anyway, when it got to me I said, “I have to get out of here now”, and nobody answered me. I started wiggling my feet and planning to escape by shinnying down toward the feet end. That finally got the technician’s attention.
“You have to be still.”
“No, let me out of here!”
The panic was rising, and it seemed like half an hour before they got me out, but I am sure it did not take that long.
The next MRI I got was a so-called open MRI. They let me go feet first, and I did not have to go farther than chest high, but it was still very scary for me, mainly because of the previous experience.
Bad, bad memories. It seriously ranks in the top 5 most horrible experiences.
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“Precisely for the freedom of the people. After the South lost, the people were no longer acknowledged by the courts. They were replaced by persons and individuals.”
On the contrary, the people of the South voted against secession, but the Democrat Party elite refused to accept the judgment of the Southern people and the Northern people, setup new and fraudulent plebiscites where their vote fraud and voter intimidation could be suppress native son opposition until the Democrat elites got the phony vote results they wanted. Using covert financing, military, and naval support from the British Crown, the Democrat elite schemed to trade cotton produced by the slaves for British financing and political support. Southerners who got in the way were systematically beaten, robbed, shot, and killed. In other words, the Southern Democrats used and abused the Southern people in a fraudulent quest for personal power and wealth all the while hiding behind states rights and state patriotism as a false pretext and excuse for their plundering of their fellow Southern people.
“Ignorance of that significance has been the downfall of this country, and will continue to be the downfall of this country until, and unless, it is universally rectified.”
Having lost their quest for power on the battlefields of the American Civil War, the elite Democrats renewed the battle for supremacy over the people using the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government at the state and Federal levels; and they vied with the elite Republicans, often RINOs and CINOs (conservatives In Name Only), in doing so. Meanwhile, the rank and file Democrats and Republicans were used and abused as pawns worthy of little respect for any consequences of their misconduct.
Lookie, I say, lookie heah.
Which, of course, was really the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia.
Southernphobes does not apply to anybody who lived during that time. It’s about people today. Suggest you go look in the mirror as a visual aid.
You do know that at the time of the Civil war, the Republican party was the liberal party (which was why many republicans were often called “radicals”) and stood for higher taxes and a larger more active role for the Federal government, whereas the Democratic party of that time was the conservative party and stood for maintaining the rights of the states against Federal usurpation (per amendment 10) and for lower taxes?
“You do know that at the time of the Civil war, the Republican party was the liberal party (which was why many republicans were often called “radicals”) and stood for higher taxes and a larger more active role for the Federal government, whereas the Democratic party of that time was the conservative party and stood for maintaining the rights of the states against Federal usurpation (per amendment 10) and for lower taxes?”
That myth is a fraud against the people of the United States which resulted in untold bloodshed. The reality is how the Democratic Party, North and South, looted the public treasuries with graft and corruption, as it does today, only more so. As for state’s rights, it was the Democratic Party which undertook wholesale armed invasions of neighboring states by murderous bandits overthrowing local sovereignty with the Federal Government support and connivance of a Democrat Administration in the White House. In fact, the Whig Party was obsoleted and the Republican Party was founded as a popular grassroots response to the Democrat lawless and armed usurpation of states rights and individual rights.
Republican Party Platform of 1856
June 18, 1856
This Convention of Delegates, assembled in pursuance of a call addressed to the people of the United States, without regard to past political differences or divisions, who are opposed to the repeal of the Missouri Compromise; to the policy of the present Administration; to the extension of Slavery into Free Territory; in favor of the admission of Kansas as a Free State; of restoring the action of the Federal Government to the principles of Washington and Jefferson; and for the purpose of presenting candidates for the offices of President and Vice-President, do
Resolved: That the maintenance of the principles promulgated in the Declaration of Independence, and embodied in the Federal Constitution are essential to the preservation of our Republican institutions, and that the Federal Constitution, the rights of the States, and the union of the States, must and shall be preserved.
Resolved: That, with our Republican fathers, we hold it to be a self-evident truth, that all men are endowed with the inalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and that the primary object and ulterior design of our Federal Government were to secure these rights to all persons under its exclusive jurisdiction; that, as our Republican fathers, when they had abolished Slavery in all our National Territory, ordained that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law, it becomes our duty to maintain this provision of the Constitution against all attempts to violate it for the purpose of establishing Slavery in the Territories of the United States by positive legislation, prohibiting its existence or extension therein. That we deny the authority of Congress, of a Territorial Legislation, of any individual, or association of individuals, to give legal existence to Slavery in any Territory of the United States, while the present Constitution shall be maintained.
Resolved: That the Constitution confers upon Congress sovereign powers over the Territories of the United States for their government; and that in the exercise of this power, it is both the right and the imperative duty of Congress to prohibit in the Territories those twin relics of barbarism—Polygamy, and Slavery.
Resolved: That while the Constitution of the United States was ordained and established by the people, in order to “form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty,” and contain ample provision for the protection of the life, liberty, and property of every citizen, the dearest Constitutional rights of the people of Kansas have been fraudulently and violently taken from them.
Their Territory has been invaded by an armed force;
Spurious and pretended legislative, judicial, and executive officers have been set over them, by whose usurped authority, sustained by the military power of the government, tyrannical and unconstitutional laws have been enacted and enforced;
The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been infringed.
Test oaths of an extraordinary and entangling nature have been imposed as a condition of exercising the right of suffrage and holding office.
The right of an accused person to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury has been denied;
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, has been violated;
They have been deprived of life, liberty, and property without due process of law;
That the freedom of speech and of the press has been abridged;
The right to choose their representatives has been made of no effect;
Murders, robberies, and arsons have been instigated and encouraged, and the offenders have been allowed to go unpunished;
That all these things have been done with the knowledge, sanction, and procurement of the present National Administration; and that for this high crime against the Constitution, the Union, and humanity, we arraign that Administration, the President, his advisers, agents, supporters, apologists, and accessories, either before or after the fact, before the country and before the world; and that it is our fixed purpose to bring the actual perpetrators of these atrocious outrages and their accomplices to a sure and condign punishment thereafter.
Resolved, That Kansas should be immediately admitted as a state of this Union, with her present Free Constitution, as at once the most effectual way of securing to her citizens the enjoyment of the rights and privileges to which they are entitled, and of ending the civil strife now raging in her territory.
Resolved, That the highwayman’s plea, that “might makes right,” embodied in the Ostend Circular, was in every respect unworthy of American diplomacy, and would bring shame and dishonor upon any Government or people that gave it their sanction.
Resolved, That a railroad to the Pacific Ocean by the most central and practicable route is imperatively demanded by the interests of the whole country, and that the Federal Government ought to render immediate and efficient aid in its construction, and as an auxiliary thereto, to the immediate construction of an emigrant road on the line of the railroad.
Resolved, That appropriations by Congress for the improvement of rivers and harbors, of a national character, required for the accommodation and security of our existing commerce, are authorized by the Constitution, and justified by the obligation of the Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens.
Resolved, That we invite the affiliation and cooperation of the men of all parties, however differing from us in other respects, in support of the principles herein declared; and believing that the spirit of our institutions as well as the Constitution of our country, guarantees liberty of conscience and equality of rights among citizens, we oppose all legislation impairing their security.
APP Note: The Official Proceedings of the 1856 Republican National Convention indicates that the platform was announced and read on the second day of the convention (June 18, 1856).
Citation: Republican Party Platforms: “Republican Party Platform of 1856,” June 18, 1856. Online by Gerhard Peters and John T. Woolley, The American Presidency Project. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29619.
Republican National Platform, 1860
“Resolved, That we, the delegated representatives of the Republican electors of the United States, in convention assembled, in discharge of the duty we owe to our constituent and our country, unite in the following declarations:
1. That the history of the nation during the last four years has fully established the propriety and necessity of the organization and perpetuation of the republican party, and that the causes which called it into existence are permanent in their nature, and now more than ever before demand its peaceful and constitutional triumph.
2. That the maintenance of the principles promulgated in the Declaration of Independence and embodied in the Federal Constitution, “That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” is essential to the preservation of our Republican institutions; and that the Federal Constitution, the rights of the states, and the Union of the states, must and shall be preserved.
3. That to the Union of the States this nation owes its unprecedented increase in population; its surprising development of material resources; its rapid augmentation of wealth; its happiness at home and its honor abroad; and we hold in abhorrence all schemes for disunion, come from whatever source they may; and we congratulate the country that no republican member of congress has uttered or countenanced the threats of disunion so often made by democratic members, without rebuke and with applause from their political associates; and we denounce those threats of disunion, in case of a popular overthrow of their ascendancy, as denying the vital principles of a free government, and as an avowal of contemplated treason, which it is the imperative duty of an indignant people sternly to rebuke and forever silence.
4. That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the states, and especially the right of each state, to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depends, and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any state or territory, no matter under what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.
5. That the present Democratic Administration has far exceeded our worst apprehension in its measureless subserviency to the exactions of a sectional interest, as is especially evident in its desperate exertions to force the infamous Lecompton constitution upon the protesting people of Kansas - in construing the personal relation between master and servant to involve an unqualified property in persons - in its attempted enforcement everywhere, on land and sea, through the intervention of congress and of the federal courts, of the extreme pretensions of a purely local interest, and in its general and unvarying abuse of the power entrusted to it by a confiding people.
6. That the people justly view with alarm the reckless extravagance which pervades every department of the Federal Government; that a return to rigid economy and accountability is indispensable to arrest the systematic plunder of the public treasury by favored partisans; while the recent startling developments of frauds and corruptions at the federal metropolis, show that an entire change of Administration is imperatively demanded.
7. That the new dogma that the Constitution of its own force carries slavery into any or all of the territories of the United States, is a dangerous political heresy, at variance with the explicit provisions of that instrument itself, with cotemporaneous exposition, and with legislative and judicial precedent, is revolutionary in its tendency and subversive of the peace and harmony of the country.
8. That the normal condition of all the territory of the United States is that of freedom; that as our republican fathers, when they had abolished slavery in all our national territory, ordained that no “person should be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law,” it becomes our duty, by legislation, whenever such legislation is necessary, to maintain this provision of the constitution against all attempts to violate it; and we deny the authority of congress, of a territorial legislature, or of any individuals, to give legal existence to slavery in any territory of the United States.
9. That we brand the recent re-opening of the African Slave Trade, under the cover of our national flag, aided by perversions of judicial power, as a crime against humanity, and a burning shame to our country and age, and we call upon congress to take prompt and efficient measures for the total and final suppression of that execrable traffic.
10. That in the recent vetoes by the federal governors of the acts of the Legislatures of Kansas and Nebraska, prohibiting slavery in those territories, we find a practical illustration of the boasted democratic principle of non- intervention and popular sovereignty, embodied in the Kansas-Nebraska bill, and a demonstration of the deception and fraud involved therein.
11. That Kansas should of right be immediately admitted as a state, under the constitution recently formed and adopted by her people, and accepted by the House of Representatives.
12. That while providing revenue for the support of the general government by duties upon imports, sound policy requires such an adjustment of these imposts as to encourage the development of the industrial interests of the whole country, and we commend that policy of national exchanges which secures to the workingmen liberal wages, to agriculture remunerating prices, to mechanics and manufacturers an adequate reward for their skill, labor and enterprise, and to the nation commercial prosperity and independence.
13. That we protest against any sale or alienation to others of the public lands held by actual settlers, and against any view of the free homestead policy which regards the settlers as paupers or suppliants for public bounty, and we demand the passage by congress of the complete and satisfactory homestead measure which has already passed the house.
14. That the Republican Party is opposed to any change in our naturalization laws, or any state legislation by which the rights of citizenship hitherto accorded by emigrants from foreign lands shall be abridged or impaired; and in favor of giving a full and efficient protection to the rights of all classes of citizens, whether native or naturalized, both at home and abroad.
15. That appropriation by Congress for river and Harbor improvements of a National character, required for the accommodation and security of an existing commerce, are authorized by the constitution and justified by the obligation of Government to protect the lives and property of its citizens.
16. That a railroad to the Pacific ocean is imperatively demanded by the interests of the whole country; that the Federal Government ought to render immediate and efficient aid in its construction; and that, as preliminary thereto, a daily overland mail should be promptly established.
17. Finally, having thus set forth our distinctive principles and views, we invite the coöperation of all citizens, however differing on other questions who substantially agree with us in their affirmance and support.
Supplementary Resolution. Resolved, That we deeply sympathize with those men who have been driven, some from their native States and others from the States of their adoption, and are now exiled from their homes on account of their opinions; and we hold the Democratic Party responsible for this gross violation of that clause of the Constitution which declares that the citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States.”
http://www.cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Republican_Platform_1860.html
You’re talking about your opinion of HOW it was done.
I’m talking about the legal fact of WHAT was done.
Different subjects.
“You’re talking about your opinion of HOW it was done.”
No, those are the recorded historical events and not mere opinion.
“I’m talking about the legal fact of WHAT was done.”
No, you have only written some extremely vague generalities which could mean just about anything to anybody.
Now you jumped the shark, little shill. You're shi over your head you don't even recognize your own absurdity.
Go pick up your paycheck and call it a day.
“Now you jumped the shark, little shill. You’re shi over your head you don’t even recognize your own absurdity.”
“Go pick up your paycheck and call it a day.”
Your juvenile insults and derogatory language does nothing whatsoever to support your comments or encourage any respect for your argument. Instead, it is simply tiresome abuse.
I commented that you have “only written some extremely vague generalities which could mean just about anything to anybody.” For example you wrote:
“Precisely for the freedom of the people. After the South lost, the people were no longer acknowledged by the courts.”
Nowhere in your comments have you identified which “courts” in which you claim “the people were no longer acknowledged.” Given the fact that the state courts were opened by the military governors and the jurisdiction of the Federal courts were extended to the people, your comment about the “courts” are obviously contradictory to the historical record, and they are words which are too vague and generalized to be identified to specific courts in your comments.
“They were replaced by persons and individuals.”
Here too you made no effort to identify what “persons and individuals” you are commenting about, so your comment is obviously too vague and generalized for the readers to know with any certainty who these “persons and individuals” are supposed to be in your mind.
If you are referring to Kansas, I hope you know that both sides contributed to the bloodshed there, both sides came across the borders of their states to fight it out.
Republican Party was founded as a popular grassroots response to the Democrat lawless and armed usurpation of states rights and individual rights
Oh really? So that is the Republican party was always in favor of higher taxes and tariffs? It was because they cared about the individual that Lincoln, almost as soon as he gets in office, passes the first income tax laws which define taxable income as that "derived from any kind of property, or from any professional trade, employment, or vocation carried on in the United States or elsewhere or from any source whatever." And it was because they cared so much about the rights of the states that they fought a bloody war to deny eleven states the right to self-determination, the right to leave and create their own government just as the Founders did? And I suppose it was because they cared about individual rights so much that Lincoln suspended habeus corpus and imprisoned thousands of people (including hundreds of members of the press) without telling them what crime they were charged with, and how long they would be imprisoned? I suppose it was because the republicans loved small government that Lincoln's war stripped the states of much of their rights and left the United states not as a republic of republics as the founders had created, but one in which the Federal government was supreme and you had better not disagree with it.
I guess it was because the Democrat party loved big government so much that they were always fighting for lower taxes and tariffs and less Federal intervention in state matters.
Yokosuka MXY-7 Ohka the “Baka” was a manned air-launched anti-ship missile, flying counterpart to the “Kaiten” torpedo.
Every such action, without exception, was in response to the war which the Confederacy first provoked, then started (at Fort Sumter), then formally declared (May 6, 1861), then used to invade & ravage every Union state & territory they could reach.
And every war-time action of Lincoln followed precedents set by our Founders or acknowledged in the Constitution.
For example: the war-time income tax was first proposed in Congress during the War of 1812, which however ended before the tax became necessary.
Habeas Corpus denials are also acknowledged in the Constitution when "in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."
DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis: "I guess it was because the Democrat party loved big government so much that they were always fighting for lower taxes and tariffs and less Federal intervention in state matters."
You obviously misunderstand the pre-war situation.
In the case of tariffs, neither Democrats nor Republicans uniformly opposed or supported higher or lower tariffs.
It was very much a "local thing", with each representative in Congress voting how they felt their own best interests lay.
So, some Republicans voted for lower tariffs, some Democrats for higher tariffs, and the result over many decades was that tariffs went up and down, up and down, with the current political winds.
As for interference in state matters, it was absolutely, positively Southern Democrats who insisted on the Federal Government's duty to enforce Fugitive Slave laws, regardless of Free-States' own laws.
So antebellum Democrats were for Big Government, Republicans for state sovereignty.
Sorry if the historical facts don't fit your pro-Confederate mythology.
Whatever, I’m not your tutor.
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