Look at these two skeletons and tell me the "neanderthal" isn't as human as you or me.
Posted on 08/17/2012 9:37:26 AM PDT by Pharmboy
Recent research strikes a blow to the theory that humans and Neanderthals interbred.
THE GIST Studies over the last two years suggest that Neanderthals vanished more than 30,000 years ago. This would mean that early humans and Neanderthals could not have interbred. enlarge
Over the last two years, several studies have suggested that Homo sapiens got it on with Neanderthals, an hominid who lived in parts of Europe, Central Asia and the Middle East for up to 300,000 years but vanished more than 30,000 years ago.
The evidence for this comes from fossil DNA, which shows that on average Eurasians and Asians share between one and four per cent of their DNA with Neanderthals, but Africans almost none.
But a new study by scientists at Britain's University of Cambridge says the shared DNA came from a shared ancestor, not from "hybridization" or reproduction between the two hominid species.
Common ancestor It begins with a common ancestors of Neanderthals and H. sapiens who lived around half a million years ago in parts of Africa and Europe.
Around 300,000 to 350,000 years ago, the European population and the African population of this hominid became separated.
Living in genetic isolation, the European range evolved bit by bit into Neanderthals, while the African range eventually became H. sapiens, which expanded in waves out of Africa from around 60,000 to 70,000 years ago.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.discovery.com ...
I try to based my beliefs on hard evidence not popular assertions. As I said, I haven't seen any conclusive scientifically tested evidence of these things.
The DNA sequence of mtDNA has been determined from a large number of organisms and individuals (including some organisms that are extinct), and the comparison of those DNA sequences represents a mainstay of phylogenetics, in that it allows biologists to elucidate the evolutionary relationships among species. It also permits an examination of the relatedness of populations, and so has become important in anthropology and field biology.
Steve Jones's words are .. "For mitrochondria at least, Neanderthals and ourselves split half a million years ago.”
I guess that means that we're about 500,000 years away from a female Neanderthal grandmother link.
Look at these two skeletons and tell me the "neanderthal" isn't as human as you or me.
Or maybe it was triggered by the "room-for-thought" mutation, leading to an "evolutionary cascade".
That hypothesis is as good as any other.
Bottom line is these are all hypotheses at this point, and anyone who claims otherwise is blowing smoke.
He doesn't look like you or me or that human skeleton at all. His eye sockets are double the size of ours and on the top of his forehead, his bones are thicker, and the rib cage narrows from the bottom to the top to make room for the gigantic upper body musculature common to primates.
Per the Bible account, these were matings (by one interpretation) between fallen angels taking male form and human females. Their offspring were Nephilim.
The problem with your theory is that would have all died in the flood.
So unless angels also mated with women after the flood, the later peoples described as Nephilim would have to be from a different source.
My personal opinion is that they would be men who were unusually large, and were therefore described by others as Nephilim, without necessarily being such biologically.
BTW, in a world of firearms, giants are mostly just really easy targets. Though they might create a demand for higher caliber weaponry. -:)
Thanks Pharmboy, I’ll ping this from home. Suffice to say, this is SOS / SSDD / NTSA. :’)
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Thanks Pharmboy.KEYWORDS: neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthalsThe Neandertal EnigmaFrayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127] |
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You are wrong....... A Roman Catholic Arch Bishop is responsible for rationalizing Biblical passages into the 6,000 year hoax.
It is totally false.
This one just defies credulity. We’re supposed to think horny Homo Sapiens wouldn’t do a Neanderthal? You know the saying, any port in a storm . . .
I wholeheartedly agree, and not just for that reason. :’) There’s always been a real moonbat vibe to all the Neandertal bashing, and this particular “study” is another one out of the master-race capital of the modern world, the Replacement advocates of the UK.
Gunner, didn’t you date this wee cutie?
That's funny, but I figured the years out going through the Bible myself. It's not heard, really. You should try it. It's right there in God's Word.
Although you can figure out the years using the biblical record of time, years, and genealogies, the Bible gives you a hint in the first chapter, Genesis 1. The Bible says one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day (2 Peter 3:8). It took six days to (re)create the earth and on the seventh God rested. It's been 6000 years since (re)creation and we're rapidly heading into the 1000 years of Jesus ruling as King of Kings on the earth (His seventh "day" of rest).
The Future of the Past:
Archaeology in the 21st Century
by Eberhard Zangger
[W]hen the headteacher Johann Karl Fuhlrott discovered the bones of a Neanderthal in a cave near Dusseldorf in 1856... Rudolf Virchow, President of the Deutsche Gessellschaft fur Anthropologie... who personally promoted the principle 'always practise honesty and stand by the facts whatever happens' -- endorsed the interpretation that the Neanderthal was a bow-legged, Mongolian Cossack with rickets, who had been lucky enough to survive multiple head injuries, but who, during a campaign by Russian forces against France in 1814, had been wounded, and (stark naked) had crawled into a cave, where he had died. Thirty years passed before the specialists recognised their mistake. [pp 288-289]
Welcome to the ever changing story!
1. It's easy to count up the years between Adam and the flood (about 1500 years).
2. From the flood to Abraham is about 300 years and from Abraham to Israel leaving Egypt, about 400 years = about 700 years.
So far, that's about 2200 years.
3. Israel's independence as a nation: about 1300 years from their exodus out of Egypt to the Babylonian captivity. (Side note: remarkable that Israel was an independent and free nation for so long.)
So far, that's about 3500 years.
4. The book of Daniel tells us it's about 500 years from the Babylonian captivity to Christ.
5. It's been about 2000 years since Christ.
There you have it.
I can prove that’s wrong with two words:
Dan Dierdorf.
It is interesting that the so-called “ginger gene” is found most in the farther reaches of the British Isles. My Scots ancestry husband had it in spades—red hair, bright light blue eyes, heavy brow ridge for homo sapiens, weak chin, massive shoulders, long torso and short legs, extreme mesomorph, very hairy chest and back and one shoulder, warrior temperment. So I think he could easily have been someone with the 4% Neanderthal genes.
The fact that the ginger gene is found on the periphery of Europe suggest to me that it was direct interbreeding, not a leftover from a previous hominid like Heidelberg man. Also, there are some traces from more recently than 30,000 years ago, and I think that Scotland or Ireland would be more likely for a remnant population, although they do not have very good conditions for preserving remains from 20,000 years ago.
Actually, the general scientific consensus now is that Neanderthals were probably blue eyed redheads with very fair skin that could soak up what little sun was available in the cold north and make the conversion of Vitamin D that was essential to the production of broad capable childbearing female hips.
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