Humans Did Not Kill Off Mammoths; Comet, Climate Change Helped, Studies Show

Indian Country Today ^ | June 13, 2012 | ICTMN Staff

[Free ThinkerNY]

Although human hunting played a part in the demise of the woolly mammoth about 10,000 years ago, homo sapiens were but bit players in a global drama involving climate change, comet impact and a multitude of other factors, scientists have found in separate studies.

Previous research had blamed their demise on tribal hunting. But new findings “pretty much dispel the idea of any one factor, any one event, as dooming the mammoths,” said Glen MacDonald, a researcher and geographer at the University of California in Los Angeles, to LiveScience.com.

In other words, hunting didn’t help, but it was not instrumental. The ancestors didn’t do it.

So what did? After thriving for 250,000 years, the huge mammals lingered on in dwarf form in the Arctic Ocean’s Wrangel Island until 3,700 years ago. Between 20,000 and 25,000 years ago, LiveScience said, the animals declined during the worst of the last major ice age, though they started to multiply in warmer interior Siberia.

[xrmusn]

human hunter time could have been way more effective against smaller prey.
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Teach man to fish and he could maybe feed his family for a day.
Teach man to hunt down, sautee, tenderize and deep fry a Wolly Mammoth and he can feed his village for a month.

[qam1]

There is no evidence the mammoths went in one big blast or any impact caused any long term or global impact.

All these big animals went extinct over an extended period of time. What shows man did it was the last remaining populations of these animals were in the remote areas where man was last to show up.

So either man did it or by an amazing coincidence where ever man showed up the climate changed and a comet hit.

[muawiyah]

There were 20 some glacial cycles (look at the Antarctice ice cores and the deposits of gravel off shore the St. Lawrence and other rivers).

That gives us 19 interglacials (10,000 years or longer) and an unknown number of interstadials (shorter than 10,000 years).

Mankind was present for at least four of the interglacials and many of the interstadials. The Mastadons thrived. The tigers thrived!

This latest situation, the Younger Dryass, was unique ~ the other periods of glaciation did not not stop and start up right away. They just stopped.

We are still in an ice age. But there are a lot fewer big cats around to stop our advances. Humans didn't kill off the cats ~ hunger killed them!

[Flag_This]

"It is suspected to account for the sudden loss of mammalian life in the eurasian continent."

There just doesn't seem to be a pattern to the extinctions at all - camels and horses (in N. America), but not deer or elk; short-faced bears, but not grizzly bears; dire wolves, but not grey wolves. The "mega-fauna" were wiped out, but the run-of-the-mill fauna weren't.

[BitWielder1]

Why would a warming climate kill off mammoths when their close elephant relatives survived just fine in Africa?
Surely warmer climate means more food, not less.

[muawiyah]

That’s something like 500 million years ago. We are focusing on 12000 years ago.

[hadaclueonce]

What a good job.
Get a grant to study if rocks be come sand.
File a report.
Get the money.
Move on.

We are stupid.

[Nifster]

You kidding right? Cause otherwise you missed the part about the comet....and of course the ever problematic issue of pole shifts

[SunkenCiv]

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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization by Richard Firestone, Allen West, and Simon Warwick-Smith

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[SunkenCiv]

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From the FRchives:

• Clovis Comet Gets Second Look
• New evidence supporting extraterrestrial impact at the start of the Younger Dryas
• How Mammoths Lost The Extinction Lottery
• Plasma, Solar Outbursts, and the End of the Last Ice Age
• Scientists reveal a first in Ice Age art
• Comet Theory Comes Crashing to Earth
• No evidence for Clovis comet catastrophe, archaeologists say
• Mammoth-killing space blast 'off the hook'
• True causes for extinction of cave bear revealed
• Woolly mammoth extinction 'not linked to humans'
• Los Angeles oil history runs deep
• Answer to what ended the last ice age may be blowing in the winds, paper says
• Fungi, Feces Show Comet Didn't Kill Ice Age Mammals?
• Methane Extinctions - Could this Explain the Carolina Bays?
• As Mammoths Died Out, Earth Chilled (mammoth burp and fart levels dropped, contribut
• New Study Reveals Link Between 'Climate Footprints' and Mass Mammal Extinction
• Comet trail may have caused last ice age - UPI.com
• Hour-long hailstorm may have caused 1,000-year freeze, say scientists
• Musk Ox Population Decline Due to Climate, Not Humans, Study Finds
• Cave reveals Southwest's abrupt climate swings during Ice Age
• The Death Star (Supernova close to Earth - could wipe us out)
• T Pyxidis Soon To Be A Type Ia Supernova
• Explosive Nearby Star Could Threaten Earth
• Kansas scientists probe mysterious possible comet strikes on Earth
• Big freeze plunged Europe into ice age in months
• Sophisticated hunters not to blame for driving mammoths to extinction
• Extinction of Giant Mammals Changed Landscape Dramatically
• Prehistoric man, giant animal coexisted
• Starvation 'wiped out' giant deer
• Car-Sized Creature Whacked with Tail's Sweet Spot (until 10,000 years ago)
• Mini ice age took hold of Europe in months
• North America comet theory questioned
• Carolina bays gouged into the ground at a magnetic reversal
• Did a Comet Cause a North American Die-Off around 13,000 Years Ago?
• Humans to Blame for Extinction? - Not Necessarily So ...
• Laser mapping may help solve the mystery of the Mima Mounds
• Mammoths wiped out by 'perfect storm?'
• Did a Comet Hit Earth 12,000 Years Ago?
• Six North American sites hold 12,900-year-old nanodiamond-rich soil
• Diamonds Linked to Quick Cooling Eons Ago
• Scientists say comet killed off mammoths, saber-toothed tigers
• Scientists find signs of 13,000-year-old extinction event
• Mammoth Mystery: The Beasts' Final Years
• Tracking down abrupt climate changes (Rapid natural climate change 12,700 years ago)
• First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over Bering Strait -
• Diamonds Rained Down During Ice Age ($$$)
• Diamonds Rained Down During Ice Age
• First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia....
• Exploding Asteroid Theory Strengthened By New Evidence Located In Ohio, Indiana
• Research Casts New Light On History Of North America
• Life Survived Catastrophic Space Rock Impact [Chesapeake Bay area]
• The mysterious forest rings of northern Ontario
• Al Goodyear And The Secrets Of Ancient Americans
• Did Comets Cause Ancient American Extinctions?
• Great beasts peppered from space
• The End of Eden: The Comet That Changed Civilization
• Site Provides Evidence For Ancient Comet Explosion (Topper - SC)
• Evidence for an extraterrestrial impact 12,900 years ago
• Cosmic blast may have killed off megafauna: Scientists say early humans doomed, too
• Cosmic blast may have killed off megafauna: Scientists say early humans doomed, too
• Research Team Says Extraterrestrial Impact To Blame For Ice Age Extinctions (More)
• NSF Press Release: Comet May Have Exploded Over North America 13,000 Years Ago
• Comet Theory Collides With Clovis Research, May Explain Disappearance of Ancient People
• Climate alarmists lose another piece of evidence
• Ice Age Ends Smashingly: Did A Comet Blow Up Over Eastern Canada? (More) (Carolina Bays)
• Comet May Have Doomed Mammoths
• Oregon Researchers Involved In New Clovis-Age Impact Theory (More)
• Catastrophic Comet Chilled and Killed Ice Age Beasts (and Clovis people)
• Diamonds tell tale of comet that killed off the cavemen
• Did comet start deadly cold snap?
• Terrestrial Evidence of a Nuclear Catastrophe in Paleoindian Times
• Native Americans Recorded Supernova Explosion
• Scientist: Comets Blasted Early Americans
• Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
• Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
• Humans to Blame for Ice Age Extinctions, Study Says
• Deep freeze dealt death knell to bison (Ice Age)
• Supernova debris found on Earth
• The Pleistocene Extinction
• Ancient Atomic Warfare - Religious texts and geological evidence
• What killed the mammoths and other behemoths?

[Ron C.]

The article is total BS.

They need to get off the idea that this earth is tens of thousands or millions of years old. It simply is not, as scientists have proven time and again.

The problem is their theory of evolution, which never happened. All skeletons of species have appeared fully formed and no intermediary skeletons have ever been found, despite the desperate search for them.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Ron C.]

WOW, thanks for that list of posts!

[qam1]

But it was only the last ice age that man kind started to spread around the world.

I will give you another example, Australia

The Mega-Fauna there went extinct 50,000 years ago.

Why did they go extinct there 50,000 years ago instead of the 5,000- 10,000 here in North America?

Simple because that’s when man showed up there.

Same with The Pacific Islands 30,000 years ago, Madagascar 2000 years ago, New Zealand 1500 years ago.

When ever ancient man showed up, the Mega Fauna went extinct.

[Bratch]

It’s a good thing some government outlawed those prehistoric SUVs. Why, they almost killed humans, too.

[SunkenCiv]

No, in fact, they did not. That peculiarity has been the reason so many have been looking for a cause for so many years, and why the blame has been put on mythical, nearly superhuman hunters.

[SunkenCiv]

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks baynut!

Study Jointly Led by UCSB Researcher Finds New Evidence Supporting Theory of Extraterrestrial Impact
University of California, Santa Barbara
Division of Institutional Advancement
June 11, 2012

An 18-member international team of researchers that includes James Kennett, professor of earth science at UC Santa Barbara, has discovered melt-glass material in a thin layer of sedimentary rock in Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and Syria. According to the researchers, the material -- which dates back nearly 13,000 years -- was formed at temperatures of 1,700 to 2,200 degrees Celsius (3,100 to 3,600 degrees Fahrenheit), and is the result of a cosmic body impacting Earth.

These new data are the latest to strongly support the controversial Younger Dryas Boundary (YDB) hypothesis, which proposes that a cosmic impact occurred 12,900 years ago at the onset of an unusual cold climatic period called the Younger Dryas. This episode occurred at or close to the time of major extinction of the North American megafauna, including mammoths and giant ground sloths; and the disappearance of the prehistoric and widely distributed Clovis culture. The researchers' findings appear today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

[djf]

Not to mention that almost all of the mammoth slayer stories seem to depend on this “cliff” that they somehow force the mammoth over.

I’ve been to the midwest, the Great Plains. There are places there where the nearest “cliff” big enough to stun a mammoth is probably more than 100 miles away!