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1 posted on 07/07/2009 11:27:46 AM PDT by Korah
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There is no being "born" gay....among human beings, its called choice.
2 posted on 07/07/2009 11:29:33 AM PDT by cranked
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He’s making an extraordinary claim and must provide extraordinary proof. And you can’t prove a negative.


3 posted on 07/07/2009 11:29:55 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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Welcome to FreeRepublic.

Will this be one of those threads?
4 posted on 07/07/2009 11:30:21 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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I want to nail this b#s*ard

Somehow, I don't think you will.

5 posted on 07/07/2009 11:31:48 AM PDT by newheart (Obama. We kind of underestimated the creepiness.)
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Aside from Rush, who was it that said, “It’s not the nature of the evidence but the seriousness of the charge that invites investigation.”

I know it was some Dem congresscritter (McKinney?). Find that and you have your response.


6 posted on 07/07/2009 11:32:11 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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Put two gay men on a deserted island and come back in 20 years and ask there children if they are gay.


8 posted on 07/07/2009 11:32:51 AM PDT by VastRWCon (Drill Baby Drill - Sarah Palin 2012)
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Indeed, you cannot prove a negative. You can only fail to prove a positive. So the burden is not on you, the burden is on him. He must prove that a person is born “gay.” Saying it is so does not make it so. He has no proof, and quoting some psychiatrist who says it is so yet has no proof is not proof. By default, you have won the argument, and continuing to argue with this person is a waste of time.
9 posted on 07/07/2009 11:34:58 AM PDT by Excellence (Meet your new mother-in-law, the United States Government)
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There are thousands of homosexuals who have chosen to quit the lifestyle and live normal lives - many even getting married and having children.

A person can't change their race, or their gender, or their height. Those are traits we are born with. They cannot be changed.

Homosexuality is a behavior choice. How else do you explain someone who grows up a heterosexual, lives a heterosexual life by dating people of the opposite sex, having a spouse of the opposite sex, and spending years of their lives as a straight person then one day announcing that they are gay? Why is it that straight people can choose to become gay, but gay people can never become straight?

It is a choice.

10 posted on 07/07/2009 11:36:20 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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Here’s a little mind game you could play.

State that people are born Conservative.

Then when your acquaintance retorts ‘yeah, then they wise up and become liberal,’ you can then trap them in their logic by asking at what point a gay newborn wises up and becomes heterosexual?


11 posted on 07/07/2009 11:36:24 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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I am a Republican; but, I firmly believe that my son was born gay.... So this liberal may have gay folks in his family. I would not waste my time with this. You will not convince him anyway/


12 posted on 07/07/2009 11:36:32 AM PDT by DooDahhhh (AMEN)
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Concede that there is a gay gene, then ask if it would be right for parents to abort unborn gay children simply on the basis that they tested positive for the gay gene.

He'll either have to become a pro-life supporter of gay rights or a pro-choice homophobe.

13 posted on 07/07/2009 11:38:07 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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Given that identical twins are born with the EXACT same DNA, if one were gay, and it were dependent upon genetics, by logic, the other would necessarily also be gay.

This, by itself, does not constitute scientific proof of anything.

But it certainly is compelling.


18 posted on 07/07/2009 11:47:41 AM PDT by Rammer
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I [...]said the fact that there is no evidence that anyone is born gay, proves my point that homosexuals are not born gay.

FRiend, it is a fallacy that the mere absence of evidence supporting any given assertion proves the counter-assertion.

Example of another illogical argument based on your same fallacious reasoning:

There is no evidence that Abraham Lincoln hated vanilla ice cream. Thus, Abraham Lincoln must have liked vanilla ice cream.

Wrong!

Regards,

20 posted on 07/07/2009 11:49:42 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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Some years ago the theory of the gay gene was promulgated by a very respected professor from one of the elite California universities.

At the time, the gay community hated that idea. It was a ‘choice of lifestyle’ issue they said. They were gay by choice and proud of it. The attacks by the gays and thier liberal/left sympathizers about ran the professor out of the liberal and academic community as a homophobe or something.

Then their attitude and that of the MSM changed when HIV came to the attention of the public in the 80s. The only way to get funding for research was to portray themselves as helpless victims of their genetic code, because otherwise they could just change their ‘choice of lifestyle” to avoid the plague. NO gay gene, no money.

And of course the liberal elite and the grant chasers jumped on the gay gene bandwagon.

You might want to investigate these countervailing arguments and what motivates them.


22 posted on 07/07/2009 11:51:21 AM PDT by wildbill ( The reason you're so jealous is that the voices talk only to me.)
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Your friend would be correct. The lack of evidence does not prove the converse. That’s a logical fallacy with a name, argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Now that is not to say that you’re not coincidentally correct and that gayness is not congenital, just that lacking evidence of a gay gene does not make it so.

Simply put, if something exists, its existence is independent of any proof that may or may not exist at the time. Or rather the existence is not dependent upon the human discovery of said proof.


25 posted on 07/07/2009 11:53:56 AM PDT by Melas
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The person I am debating claims no evidence does not prove my point

I believe the saying goes something like "it's impossible to prove a negative".

What you can say is that despite the best science has to offer looking into it, they have found exactly zero evidence to support your opponents' point of view.

27 posted on 07/07/2009 11:55:27 AM PDT by kevkrom
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http://www.citizenlink.org/FOSI/homosexuality/A000007735.cfm


28 posted on 07/07/2009 11:56:14 AM PDT by Rammer
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This sounds like one of those debates where if you win, you still lose. Anyhoo, I think the subject is more rooted in faith than fact so there is no way seal the victory.
29 posted on 07/07/2009 11:57:02 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Have you punished an 0bama supporter today?)
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The assertion does not prove the fact. An assertion demands facts and proof to be anything more than a mere unsupported assertion. And, as someone has already pointed out, an extraordinary assertion demands extraordinary support. I believe your correspondent’s assertion constitutes an extraordinary assertion.

If your correspondent cannot deal with that basic a fact of logic, then he is not worth talking to.

31 posted on 07/07/2009 11:58:26 AM PDT by YHAOS
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Ask him why some are afflicted with gayness and others not. Then step back and watch his head explode.


32 posted on 07/07/2009 11:58:27 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Trailer of "33 Minutes", video by Heritage.com - http://www.heritage.org/33-minutes/)
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