Posted on 07/07/2009 11:27:46 AM PDT by Korah
I am in the middle of a debate with a leftist who is demanding that people are born gay. I showed them evidence of the APA dropping its "gay gene" claim and said the fact that there is no evidence that anyone is born gay, proves my point that homosexuals are not born gay.
The person I am debating claims no evidence does not prove my point, yet liberals do that all the time and I want to nail this b#s*ard. So if someone can help me now to prove this idiot wrong, I would appreciate it much.
He’s making an extraordinary claim and must provide extraordinary proof. And you can’t prove a negative.
Somehow, I don't think you will.
Aside from Rush, who was it that said, “It’s not the nature of the evidence but the seriousness of the charge that invites investigation.”
I know it was some Dem congresscritter (McKinney?). Find that and you have your response.
I hope so, because I am getting real tired of these idiots that want things both ways.
Put two gay men on a deserted island and come back in 20 years and ask there children if they are gay.
A person can't change their race, or their gender, or their height. Those are traits we are born with. They cannot be changed.
Homosexuality is a behavior choice. How else do you explain someone who grows up a heterosexual, lives a heterosexual life by dating people of the opposite sex, having a spouse of the opposite sex, and spending years of their lives as a straight person then one day announcing that they are gay? Why is it that straight people can choose to become gay, but gay people can never become straight?
It is a choice.
Here’s a little mind game you could play.
State that people are born Conservative.
Then when your acquaintance retorts ‘yeah, then they wise up and become liberal,’ you can then trap them in their logic by asking at what point a gay newborn wises up and becomes heterosexual?
I am a Republican; but, I firmly believe that my son was born gay.... So this liberal may have gay folks in his family. I would not waste my time with this. You will not convince him anyway/
He'll either have to become a pro-life supporter of gay rights or a pro-choice homophobe.
Good points, I hope they keep coming.
I also have heard the left use the argument themselves that the lack of evidence proves their points. Any links someone can supply of such incidents would be much appreciated also
Just to let you all know, I am new at this debating stuff. But this last election changed me from a person who was born apathetic to an activist, and I need some pointers so I do not do our side injustice.
Adding to that, if there is a gay gene, what would your friend do if a cure was found to correct that gene and therefore remove your homosexuality. Would that friend accept the cure?
Given that identical twins are born with the EXACT same DNA, if one were gay, and it were dependent upon genetics, by logic, the other would necessarily also be gay.
This, by itself, does not constitute scientific proof of anything.
But it certainly is compelling.
I accidentally omitted, “and this is not usually the case with identical twins in which one is homosexual. Most of the time, the other is not.”
FRiend, it is a fallacy that the mere absence of evidence supporting any given assertion proves the counter-assertion.
Example of another illogical argument based on your same fallacious reasoning:
There is no evidence that Abraham Lincoln hated vanilla ice cream. Thus, Abraham Lincoln must have liked vanilla ice cream.
Wrong!
Regards,
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