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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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To: nw_arizona_granny; DelaWhere

“Shearing is a real art,”

Hubby tried it once and after that, we hired a traveling sheep shearer to come do the sheep. Most times, he took the wool as part payment. My mother-in-law took some of the wool one year and washed and carded it. She used it as batting in a quilt she made. I think she just made it with big sqares stitched in the fabric and each square filled with the wool. She says its a real warm blanket. We had Dorset sheep, up to about 10 one year. I used to love to watch the little ones “romp” through the pasture.


9,721 posted on 07/16/2009 7:56:16 PM PDT by Marmolade
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To: CottonBall

I keep my baking powder in the refrigerator, it lasts past the exp. date there.

Keep the yeast frozen and it is good long past its exp. date.

If it is way past, then I add a little more.


9,722 posted on 07/16/2009 8:10:05 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: CottonBall

I thought for years that the wars were just cooked up, to kill a few folks and keep the population in control.

You thought Hitler and the Nazis were made up or exaggerated? Or the USSR’s policy of spreading communism by any means?<<<<

That is not quite how I meant it, I am not one of the anti crowd.

I still have nightmares about hitler and have never stopped in my attempts to wake folks up to the danger of russia and the communists, which we see very well today.

I read my first wolf book by accident, at the same time that I had taken in a month old Samoyed pup.

What ever the wolf did in the book, Snowball did at the same age.

So I still read wolf stories.

I never understood why people were afraid of the Samoyed dog, but many that I suspected of being less than desirable were scared to get out of their cars, at our place.


9,723 posted on 07/16/2009 8:10:09 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: CottonBall

>>>How are they? <<< (Watermelon Rind Pickles)

The ones I have had were GREAT!

Usually you will encounter it around Christmas and some have red and some green food coloring.

The consistency is about like a pear and the sweet/sour taste is nice and mellow.


9,724 posted on 07/16/2009 8:16:07 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Support Cap 'n Trade - CAP TAXES & SPENDING. TRADE CONGRESS FOR REAL PUBLIC SERVANTS.)
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To: alwaysconservative
Do you have measurements for this? I would like to maybe skip the powdered vitamins (so you wouldn’t need as much sugar), and maybe use, as Granny suggested, cinnamon or cocoa instead. What a neat idea!

Thank you, but I can't take credit. It was created by Andre Briend, a French pediatric nutritionist to treat starving children in Africa. The results are dramatic.

I haven't been able to find a recipe for it, but the ingredients are in the post you referenced. I'm just experimenting until I find something we like. (My first two attempts I used *way* too much peanut butter.)

I haven't played with it for awhile, but you've inspired me to try again! Here is the next place I'll start:

5 TBSP peanut butter
1 TBSP vegetable oil
1/4 C powdered milk
Sugar to taste (no clue)
Powdered vitamins and minerals
No Salt to taste

It's important to remember that this is supposed to be a complete meal replacement. Two packs at 600 calories each for women and children and three packs for men. The beauty is that it's cheap, portable and it stores well. It's a LOT of nutritional bang for your buck. Tons of energy and, if you do choose to add the vitamins, enough of the important stuff to avoid scurvy, etc.

9,725 posted on 07/16/2009 8:26:14 PM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: Marmolade

She used it as batting in a quilt she made. I think she just made it with big sqares stitched in the fabric and each square filled with the wool. She says its a real warm blanket.<<<

They are warm, you can buy a regular wool batting, that will work the same as a cotton batting for quilts.

Her idea works also.

Also used old wool clothing for quilts, made a tied comforter.

When I sold them in the shop, I had to laugh, for one of the ranchers wives sent her husband to buy one of our fancy quilts, he wanted the wool comforters for the bunk house.

I had found wool skirts and pants at Goodwill for 10 cents each and used a regular, LOL, old style -hard floor tile for the square and Bill cut one for half and quarter size, after adding the seam allowances.

With those pattern sizes, the cutting went fast and it was all used, with the seams and strips left, being used for weaving rag rugs.

Bill was a cattle man and did not like sheep, once he was given one, he brought it home and then took it to our friend Mary, he made sure that it left.

Another time, a friend gave me a lamb, what a ball we had, I must have had it in the house, for it was being bottle fed, then my month old grandaughter came to visit and the lamb had to go.

We had him out doors and that lamb would dash in the door and have the babies bottle, before you could stop him.

So he went to Mary’s.

One day I was there and went out the back door, to hear the lamb crying, by then he was maybe a year old.

I called Mary and told Her that I would go check the lamb/sheep.

Mary said “There is nothing wrong with the lamb, and you might as well know, he wants his bottle!!!”

“This is the time of the day that I give it to him, for he enjoys it and I enjoy giving it to him!!!”

The humor in this story, is that Mary was past 80 years old, a farm woman, who had no problem butchering her own lambs in her youth and now sent them to the butcher shop, without ever looking back.

The lamb stayed with Mary about 3 years, before he went in the freezer, and I assume kept getting his bottle.....


9,726 posted on 07/16/2009 8:29:51 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
That is not quite how I meant it, I am not one of the anti crowd.

I didn't think so, but had to check! Whew, glad to see you are still with us in spirit here ;) I've seen a lot of your posts on the evils of communism as well.

I'm not quite sure what a Samoyed looks like. Some friends have a Malamute at the cabin. They are gorgeous - with ice blue eyes. Just googled 'samoyed' - they are beautiful! Like white teddy bears, lots of fur!
9,727 posted on 07/16/2009 8:36:57 PM PDT by CottonBall
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To: Marie; alwaysconservative

I haven’t played with it for awhile, but you’ve inspired me to try again! Here is the next place I’ll start:

5 TBSP peanut butter
1 TBSP vegetable oil
1/4 C powdered milk
Sugar to taste (no clue)
Powdered vitamins and minerals

No Salt to taste
<<<<<<<<<<

This reminds me of the Mormon Missionary Candy, they add enough powdered sugar, to make it rollable into balls.

I remember posting the recipe, but not when it was.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Mormon+++Peanut+butter+Candy+balls&btnG=Search&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=A1J&sa=2

So far all I see are chocolate covered.


9,728 posted on 07/16/2009 8:51:17 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Marmolade

>>>Most times, he took the wool as part payment.<<<

OH NO!!! Part payment???

At the risk of making your husband sick... Let me splain sumthin.....

Back in the 50’s we used to have itinerant shearers who would come through and shear for the wool... They made a killing!

Even a half baked shearer can roll the fleece off in 5 minutes (Even I could do it in 3 to 3 1/2 minutes - (Australian champion = 56 seconds) particularly Dorsets (head and legs are clear) - an average fleece is about 8 pounds and when we started a Wool Pool and marketed together, the first year we got $1.56 a pound. That would be $12.48 per fleece. Even a slower shearer could do 8-10 an hour - or between $100 and $125 an hour... And, if that was only part..... WOW...

See, told ya hubby would be sick...

Really, there were some back then that only worked for a month or two during the spring and made enough money to live all year by doing the shear for the fleece thing.

Sorry to break the news... Oh, prices are now high $2’s to $3 a pound for good wool.


9,729 posted on 07/16/2009 8:54:53 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Support Cap 'n Trade - CAP TAXES & SPENDING. TRADE CONGRESS FOR REAL PUBLIC SERVANTS.)
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To: CottonBall

The real Samoyed, is not as old a breed as the Malamute, the Sam. is a pure bred white wolf, where the Malamute has both wolf and dog in it.

Both are excellent dogs to own.

They are beautiful, faithful, protective and good to live with.

I laughed at the people who thought we had them for protection, for they would have loved you to death and did fine with a house full of small kids.

You might say that they guarded the place, we added a male to the family a year after we got Snowball.

Snowball and Frosty, did their guarding from the front seat of our dunebuggy, for they wanted to be sure that it did not move without them in it.

We had to replace the front seat several times, they flat wore it out.


9,730 posted on 07/16/2009 8:59:10 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Another sheep story...

Back when I had my sheep, we had a neighbor across the road (about 1/4 mile away) who did also.

Really early one Sunday morning, they called me and told me that my sheep were down there eating everything in their garden. I quickly pulled on some clothes and ran down to get my sheep out of their garden. They were just standing there - almost smirking - then, I was suspicious because the sheep didn’t look that familiar, so I checked the ear tag and sure enough they were standing there watching their sheep eat their garden... When I told them, their looks sure did change...

LOL, thinking about them, they were the ones who when I went into the U.S. Army, and since I had to have a Top Secret and Cryptographic clearance, the FBI questioned the neighbors. The neighbor called my parents and said ‘I don’t know what trouble your son got himself into, but the FBI was here asking questions about him - but don’t worry, we didn’t tell them anything!’ With friends like that, who needs enemies. (Yes, I did get my clearance...)

(And NO, Øbama would not be able to get his with the same criteria! Grrrrrr.)


9,731 posted on 07/16/2009 9:13:55 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Support Cap 'n Trade - CAP TAXES & SPENDING. TRADE CONGRESS FOR REAL PUBLIC SERVANTS.)
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http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/ywc/gcfun/funfoods.htm

Fun Foods to Make

Also see Refreshments, Recipes

Fast and Easy Chicken Enchiladas
1 can chunked chicken (drained)
1 can cream of mushroom soup (other cream of ___ soups and lowfat versions work well too)
1 ½ cups cubed or grated cheese
1 or 2 T. Salsa or Taco Sauce
1 t. salt
dash of onion salt, garlic powder, pepper
1 pkg. tortilla shells

(optional: diced fresh onion, diced green peppers, sliced olives, diced tomatoes)

Drain chicken, mix in bowl with everything else (except the tortilla shells). Spoon mixture equally into the tortillas. Roll them up and put them in a microwave safe dish (if you’re microwaving it) or an oven-safe casserole dish. Spread any remaining mixture over the enchiladas.

Microwave on high for 5 minutes or until cheese melts or

Bake at 375 for 10-15 minutes or until cheese melts.

Bon Apetit!

Delicious punch:

1 can Strawberry (or other) juice concentrate

several scoops of vanilla ice cream

4 liters of lemon-lime pop

Mix altogether and enjoy. To decrease foam, pour pop in slowly or put ice cream in last. If it seems too sweet, dilute the juice with 1-3 cans of water when using in the punch.

No-Rise Pizza Crust
4 c. flour
1 t. baking powder
1-2 t. salt
2/3 c. oil
1 c. water

Put dry ingredients into bowl and sift with fork. Add oil and water and mix together until damp. Knead with hands until it forms a ball of dough. Place dough on cookie sheet or pizza pan (not greased) and press until it covers the whole pan. Bake at 375 degrees F for 10 minutes or until crust is dry to the touch. Add sauce and toppings. Bake until cheese melts. If you use whole wheat flour you may need more water. If sticky, add more flour (a little bit at a time). Knead dough more for a more bready, chewy texture.

Easy Bean Dip
1 16 oz. can refried beans
1 small can green chilies—diced and drained
1 cup grated or diced cheese
2 T. Salsa or Taco sauce
1/4 c. chopped onion and/or green peppers
salt, onion salt to taste
Diced tomatoes and sliced black olives, if desired, for garnish.
Tortilla chips

Mix everything together in a medium saucepan. Stir until beans are warm and cheese is melted. Garnish with tomatoes and olives. OR microwave it in a microwave safe bowl on level 2 (for meats and casseroles) until beans are warm and cheese is melted. Garnish and enjoy with tortilla chips.

Centers for Dipping Chocolates

½ boiled, peeled potato

16 oz. Sugar (approximately)

One of the following flavoring mixes:

½ c. peanut butter

1 small can maraschino cherries, most of the liquid drained and ½ c. chopped nuts (opt.)

1 T. baking cocoa

1 c. coconut and 1 t. vanilla and 1 t. almond extract (opt.)

First, mash up the potato half and then blend smooth. Add some sugar, maybe ½ cup and blend it in until smooth. Then add one of the flavoring mixes and blend. Finally slowly add the remaining sugar, beating thoroughly before adding more until it isn’t sticky to the touch. (You may not add all of the sugar. That’s okay.) Form into balls or egg shapes and let dry for 30 minutes. Dip into melted semi-sweet chocolate and let cool. Break off the uneven edges, if you want, and decorate in contrasting chocolate if you desire. Works great for Easter eggs and fancy parties. Enjoy!

Contributed by Robin DeFrank
Chocolate Clouds
3 egg whites
1/8 t cream of tartar
3/4 C sugar
1 t vanilla extract
2 T cocoa
1 3/4 C semi-sweet chocolate chips

Heat oven to 300 F. Place foil or parchment paper on cookie sheets. In large mixer bowl beat egg whites and cream of tarter until soft peaks form. Gradually add sugar and vanilla until stiff peaks hold, sugar is dissolved and mixture is glossy. Sift cocoa onto mixture, gently fold just until combined, Fold in chocolate chips. Drop by heaping tablespoonful onto prepared cookie sheet. Bake 35-45 min. or just until dry.

Contributed by Springer Underwood
Easy Fudge
3 C chocolate chips
1 14oz can sweetened condensed milk
1 1/2 t vanilla
dash salt

Line 8x8 or 9x9 pan with wax paper. In heavy pan, melt chocolate chips and sweetened condensed milk until smooth. Remove from heat. Add vanilla and salt quickly, stir until smooth. Spread into prepared pan. Let cool until firm.

Contributed by Springer Underwood

EZ Vanilla Taffy

Stir over low heat until the sugar is dissolved:

1 1/4 C. Sugar
1/4 C. Water
2T. mild vinegar
1 1/2 t. butter

Cook these ingredients quickly, without stirring, to just between the hard-ball and the soft-crack stages, about 265 degrees (Fahrenheit). Pour candy on a buttered platter or marble slab and let cool until a dent can be made in it when pressed with a finger. Gather it into a lump and pull it with fingertips until porous. Pull into the candy any desired flavoring or coloring, such as 1 t. vanilla

Roll into long thin strips and cut into 1-inch pieces. Place candy in a tightly covered tin if you want it to become creamy.

Makes approx. 1/2 pound.
Taken from “Joy of Cooking”

Mississippi Mud Cake

Melt together:
2 sticks margarine
2 squares baking chocolate
Add:
2 C sugar
4 eggs, slightly beaten
Add:
1 1/2 C flour
pinch salt
1 t vanilla
chopped nuts
Bake in a greased and floured 9x13 pan 35 minutes at 350 degrees.
When it comes out hot from the oven, sprinkle on top:
miniature marshmallows
Cover with warm icing (recipe below) while cake is hot.

Icing Recipe
Melt together:
1/2 stick margarine
2 squares baking chocolate
Add and stir until smooth:
1 pound box powdered sugar
1/2 C milk


9,732 posted on 07/16/2009 9:42:01 PM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

mmmmm...! Those are good!

Reeces Peanut Butter Cups - that’s the flavor I’m going for! (Only with vitamins! lol!)

Thank you!


9,733 posted on 07/16/2009 9:55:02 PM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; alwaysconservative

Here’s one that’s close...

Edible Clay

1 c. peanut butter
1 c. corn syrup
1 1/4 c. powdered sugar
1 1/4 c. powdered milk

Mix above ingredients to good consistency for sculpting figures. Gobble up!!

To get the fat in there, I’m going to try taking out 1/4 C. of the corn syrup and adding 1/4 C oil.

Do either of you have a good suggestion for something more nutritious than vegetable oil? I’m thinking about coconut oil. (I don’t know if olive oil with throw the flavor off.)


9,734 posted on 07/16/2009 10:02:59 PM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny; alwaysconservative

And one more...

PEANUT BUTTER PLAY DOUGH

1/2 c. peanut butter
2 tbsp. honey
1 tsp. vanilla
3/4 c. powdered milk
1 tbsp. powdered sugar


9,735 posted on 07/16/2009 10:04:35 PM PDT by Marie (Alan Keyes for President!)
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President Obama designates $1.825 billion emergency funds to combat H1N1 threat

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary
_________________________________________________________________________
For Immediate Release July 16, 2009

TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT
TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 16, 2009

Dear Madam Speaker:

On June 24, I signed into law the Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2009 (Public Law 111-32). Within the Act, the Congress appropriated $7.65 billion to the Department of Health and Human Services for the 2009-H1N1 influenza outbreak, including a $5.8 billion contingent appropriation for an influenza pandemic. My Administration appreciates the emergency appropriations that the Congress provided and has initiated the development and procurement of 2009-H1N1 vaccines, is expanding the domestic and international surveillance activities, and is preparing for the possibility that a mass immunization campaign may be needed in the fall.

To enhance our Nation’s capability to respond to the potential spread of this outbreak, and in accordance with the appropriation, I hereby designate $1.825 billion of the contingent appropriation as emergency funds required to address critical needs related to emerging influenza viruses (specifically, the virus known as 2009-H1N1). These funds will support additional procurement of adjuvant for dose-sparing of vaccine antigen; immunization campaign planning; regulatory activities for H1N1 at the Food and Drug Administration; and funding for the administration of an injury compensation program.

There remains much uncertainty about the outbreak and its potential to return this fall during the northern hemisphere flu season. We continue to watch the evolution of the 2009-H1N1 virus and the worldwide outbreaks and are working diligently to plan and prepare for a national response, should it be necessary.

We will communicate with you further in the future should additional funds be required.

Sincerely,
BARACK OBAMA

Read full article>>
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Letter-from-the-President-regarding-H1N1/

For more information on H1N1 situation, please visit www.Flu.gov

Tell us what you think of our News Window at newmedia@hhs.gov

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9,736 posted on 07/17/2009 2:58:43 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm172474.htm

Teva Pharmaceuticals USA issues a voluntary user-level nationwide recall of Propofol Injectable Emulsion 10 mg/mL 100 mL vials, lot numbers 31305429B and 31305430B

Contact:
Denise Bradley
denise.bradley@tevausa.com
215-591-8974

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE - July 16, 2009 – Teva Pharmaceuticals USA is initiating a voluntary recall of Propofol Injectable Emulsion 10 mg/mL 100 mL vials, lot numbers 31305429B and 31305430B. The product lots identified are being recalled due to the presence of elevated endotoxin levels in some vials within these lot numbers.

Teva has been notified of 41 propofol-treated patients who experienced post-operative fever, chills and other flu-like symptoms. Based on available information it appears that all febrile or flu-like reactions were self-limiting with spontaneous resolution.

Adverse health effects, such as fever, chills, or rigors, are possible with exposure to product with elevated levels of endotoxins. Serious adverse effects, such as disseminated intravascular coagulopathy, acute respiratory distress syndrome, shock, and death, are possible with exposure to product with high endotoxin levels.

For use as an anesthetic agent, propofol should be used only by professionals trained in the administration of general anesthesia. For sedation of intubated, mechanically ventilated patients in the Intensive Care Unit, propofol should be administered only by persons skilled in the management of critically ill patients.

Customers who have Propofol lots 31305429B and 31305430B in their possession are instructed to cease using the product and return it to their distributor.

Teva Pharmaceuticals USA is voluntarily recalling the aforementioned lots. FDA and CDC have been apprised of this action.

Consumers with questions may contact 1-866-262-1243 from 8:00 am – 8:00 pm EDT Monday – Friday.

Any adverse reactions experienced with the use of this product should also be reported to the FDA’s MedWatch Program by phone at 1-800 FDA-1088; by fax at 1-800-FDA-0178; by mail at MedWatch, HF-410, FDA, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787, or on the MedWatch website at www.fda.gov/medwatch.

Page Last Updated: 07/16/2009


9,737 posted on 07/17/2009 3:02:49 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

They were just standing there - almost smirking - then, I was suspicious because the sheep didn’t look that familiar, so I checked the ear tag and sure enough they were standing there watching their sheep eat their garden... When I told them, their looks sure did change...<<<

LOL....

Your neighbors, moved on down to Missouri, near the Arkansas border, for my stepmother wrote about them and ranted about how it upset her to see the hippies move in the area and plant cotton, and go out and pick it in their plastic buckets.

LOL, she knew what picking cotton was really all about and that it should be picked into a tow sack.

Let me tell you towing that sack behind you, was tiring, dragging along as you picked with both hands to fill it up.

Spinning cotton, was never on my list to do.


9,738 posted on 07/17/2009 3:15:44 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Marie

Reeces Peanut Butter Cups - that’s the flavor I’m going for! (Only with vitamins! lol!)

Thank you!<<<

You are welcome, and I like Reeces P. B. cups too.

LOL, just think of all the things you can hide with a coating of chocolate.


9,739 posted on 07/17/2009 3:17:14 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Marie

Do either of you have a good suggestion for something more nutritious than vegetable oil? I’m thinking about coconut oil. (I don’t know if olive oil with throw the flavor off.)<<<

I would try the coconut oil or one of the refined olive oils.

But then I am not a fan of the vegetable oils and do not use the soy oils.


9,740 posted on 07/17/2009 3:19:30 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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