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Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
May 05th,2008

Posted on 02/09/2009 12:36:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny

Yahoo ran an interesting article this morning indicating a rise in the number of survivalist communities cropping up around the country. I have been wondering myself how much of the recent energy crisis is causing people to do things like stockpile food and water, grow their own vegetables, etc. Could it be that there are many people out there stockpiling and their increased buying has caused food prices to increase? It’s an interesting theory, but I believe increased food prices have more to do with rising fuel prices as cost-to-market costs have increased and grocers are simply passing those increases along to the consumer. A recent stroll through the camping section of Wal-Mart did give me pause - what kinds of things are prudent to have on hand in the event of a worldwide shortage of food and/or fuel? Survivalist in Training

I’ve been interested in survival stories since I was a kid, which is funny considering I grew up in a city. Maybe that’s why the idea of living off the land appealed to me. My grandfather and I frequently took camping trips along the Blue Ridge Parkway and around the Smoky Mountains. Looking back, some of the best times we had were when we stayed at campgrounds without electricity hookups, because it forced us to use what we had to get by. My grandfather was well-prepared with a camp stove and lanterns (which ran off propane), and when the sun went to bed we usually did along with it. We played cards for entertainment, and in the absence of televisions, games, etc. we shared many great conversations. Survivalist in the Neighborhood


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Chili Seeds

Chili Seeds
Question:
I am looking for information about growing chili plants from existing fruit, seed storage and drying to get the seed.

Rajh from Australia
Answer:
Rajh,

Saving chili pepper seeds is easy. You don’t mention where you’re getting the existing fruit.

If you’re getting is from existing plants, allow some peppers to stay on the plants until they pass maturity and start to shrivel up. Then simply remove the seeds (they don’t usually require any cleaning), and lay them on a cookie sheet to dry in a warm, dark place. Once fully dry, store them in an airtight container until planting them next season.

Peppers saved from store bought peppers can be saved in the same way. If you are buying peppers from the produce department for seeds, you need to keep two things in mind. First of all, most peppers in the grocery store are hybrids so the seeds may not produce peppers that are true to the parent plant. Second, peppers from the produce department may have been treated with certain chemicals during production. These chemicals can sometimes render seeds sterile. If you’re looking in the produce department for peppers, head toward the organic department to minimize the probability of chemically treated fruits.

If you want to start some plants with the goal of saving seeds, stick to heirloom seeds and avoid the hybrids, which may not breed true to their parent type.

Ellen
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RE: Chili Seeds
Post by tismom (6) | (03/13/2007)

To dry chili peppers from our garden after the peppers are picked from the vine, all we do is put them in a mesh bag (we save the bags from oranges, etc. from the store) and then hang the bag to dry the peppers. We hang ours in the garage where there is more air circulation with the windows open and the gargage door is often open when we are home.

The chili peppers become brittle, and I store them whole in a canister. At this stage, because they are so brittle, the seeds are loose, so removing the seeds is simple. Just snip off the end of the pepper and they fall right out.

They then should be planted the following growing season. We start our seeds inside because peppers do take longer to grow.

Good Friday is the ideal time to start pepper plants inside for us, as we live in a northern climate. Just be sure while handling the seeds to wash your hands well afterward, or wear plastic disposable gloves, because they are HOT and can burn your skin and also your eyes if you forget and rub your eyes!

One more thing, after the young plants grow inside and are quite tender, it is good to toughen them up gradually after they reach a height of several inches by setting them outdoors, increasing the time they are outside a little every day until they can be set out for almost the whole day so they will be healthy and hardy when it is time to set them in the garden. To water them inside, all they need is a mist spray of water every day, enough to wet the soil to reach the young roots.

We cover them with plastic (saran wrap) to hold in the moisture after misting, until they sprout, at which time we remove the plastic. I hope this information helps! It’s fun to start plants by seed... enjoy and good luck.


1,841 posted on 02/18/2009 10:19:36 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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Chili Skillet

Ingredients

* 1 lb. ground beef
* 1 cup chopped onion
* 1/2 cup chopped green pepper
* 1 garlic clove, minced
* 1 cup tomato juice
* 1 can kidney beans, undrained
* 4 tsp. chili powder
* 1 tsp. dried oregano
* 1 tsp. salt
* 1/2 cup uncooked long grain rice
* 1 cup canned or frozen corn
* 1/2 cup shredded cheddar or Monterey Jack cheese
* olives, opt.

Directions

In a large skillet over medium heat cook beef, onion, green pepper, and garlic until meat is brown and vegetables are tender. Drain fat. Add tomato juice, kidney beans, chili powder, oregano, salt and rice; cover and simmer about 25 minutes or until tender. Stir in corn and olives; cover and cook 5 more minutes. Sprinkle with cheese; cover and cook only until cheese melts, about 5 minutes. The best!

By Robin from Washington, IA
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1,842 posted on 02/18/2009 10:21:58 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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Growing vegetables and chili tips
By Gary Guzman

* Choose a good location. Preferably a west location as this side will have plenty of sun. Most vegetables like lots of sunlight. Especially green chili peppers, japapenos and other southwestern chili’s

* Vegetables and Chili plants love the long southwestern sunshine which is ideal for productive and abundant crop.

* Rototill the land or at least dig up the soil with a shovel to loosen the dirt/soil.

* Clear the spot or location of any large rocks, grass or weeds that may be in the area.

* Choose a good vegetable fertilizer and apply it over the soil.

* Chili or peppers do NOT like cooler temperatures. Plant them when temperatures are consistently above 50 degrees fahrenheit during the night.

* A good fertilizer will have the following nurtients: Nitrogen (N), Phosphorus (P), and Potassium (K) are the three nutrients of concern to most gardeners. Calcium (Ca) and magnesium (Mg) are also needed. A good fertilizer will have a 4-10-6 mixture. Apply about 2 tablespoons per 50 sq ft.

* Consider growing vegetables and chili seeds that are suitable for your area. Call your local Nursery for information on what will grow well in your area. Many nurseries have vegetables and chili already planted as seedlings. These type of plants will do better for the novice gardener since they are already set to plant and grow!

* Remember its YOUR garden decide if you want vegetables seeds or grown container plants?

* Water is essential to your vegetable garden. Use a good Drip System or water by hose on a daily basis especially in the desert southwest. About 1.5” of water per week should do.

* Vegetables like low acid PH levels in the soil. You can always amend the soil with nutrients at a later date.

* Weeds will suck up all the nutrients from the soil. So remember to pull out all weeds whenever possible.

* Do NOT over water or have standing water over a long period of time. Overwatering is just as bad as little or no water!

* Try to buy tomatoes and chili that are resistant to “VFN”. What is “VFN”? Following is what this means: V=Verticillium F=Fusarium, and N=nematodes. These are fungii that causes plants to wilt.

* The above tips are normally for USDA zones: 7b-8a

About The Author:
Gary Guzman is the author of the above article: You can read it online at: http://www.guzmansgreenhouse.com/vegetabletips.htm";

http://www.guzmansgreenhouse.com/vegetabletips.htm
Or visit his website at: http://www.guzmansgreenhouse.com

Gary Guzman has free valuable information on southwestern gardening.If you have any questions regarding gardening in general. email him at: gary@guzmansgreenhouse.com
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1,843 posted on 02/18/2009 10:27:02 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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When Should I Pick My Chili Peppers?

Question:
I am growing Santa Fe green chili peppers, they are about 8 inches long, but not sure if ready to pick? How do I know when to pick? Once picked how do I remove skin, for cooking. I know its tough skin, most say grill or broil, is there any other way?

Hardiness Zone: 6-7

Thank you,
Judy from Grand Junction, CO
Answer:
Judy,

Your peppers are ready for harvest when the pods are a glossy green color and they feel firm when you squeeze them (usually August). If you leave a few pods on your plants until September, you’ll be able to harvest some red ones. To remove your chilies from the plant, use a sharp knife of scissors and cut them off leaving them with at least 1 inch of stem. You can tie the stems together for drying and ground the dried pods into powders for sauces. The best way to remove the tough outer skins is by blistering or roasting them on a grill (do this outdoors!). Simply place them on a hot grill and turn them until all sides get evenly blistered. Try to avoid letting them get too black in one spot. If you want crisper chilies, plunge them into an icy bath immediately after blistering before peeling them. For softer, more thoroughly cooked chilies, remove them from the grill and seal them in plastic bags or place them in a covered pan with a damp cloth for 10-15 minutes and allow them to continue steam cooking. Make sure you wear gloves and protect your eyes before peeling off the skins. Peeling the skins is easiest if you start from the stemmed end of the chili and use a small paring knife to remove areas of skin that stay attached to the flesh. You can blister chilies in an oven using your broiler setting, but make sure you have some fantastic ventilation going! A small propane torch and a pair of tongs will work fine, too.

Ellen

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Ellen Brown is our Green Living and Gardening Expert. Click here to ask Ellen a question! Ellen Brown is an environmental writer and photographer and the owner of Sustainable Media, an environmental media company that specializes in helping businesses and organizations promote eco-friendly products and services. Contact her on the web at http://www.sustainable-media.com
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1,844 posted on 02/18/2009 10:29:44 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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RE: How To Use A Ham Bone
Post By AILEEN (Guest Post) (01/28/2008)

Make lentil, or split pea soup you can usually find the recipe on bags of dried beans. For split pea just boil the ham bone for about 2 hours, remove and add dried peas and finely chopped carrots, celery and onion. You can also add broken of spaghetti. Try it it’s good! The ham will be very tender so you can add it to the soup too.

RE: How To Use A Ham Bone
Post By J.R. (Guest Post) (08/02/2007)

My favorite way is to boil it until meat is loose, and you can remove bones. Add a large can of crushed tomatoes, a can of Rotel tomatoes, (I use mild), one or two large chopped onions, and one cup of brown rice. Stir and return to boiling, addint salt and pepper,cover, and cook on low heat for about and hour. Check 2 or 3 times during cooking to be sure it is consistancy you like. If needed, a smaller can of tomatoes, tomato sause, puree, or tomato soup may be stirred in. More of any of ingredients may be used if larger batch is desired. I usually freeze some of it for later in a glass jars.

RE: How To Use A Ham Bone
Post by celticwench (11) | (07/31/2007)

My all time favorite use(s) for a ham bone are either homemade split pea soup or lima beans and hamhocks or use a ham bone instead. Just put the beans in water (sometimes soaking overnight) or use a crock pot, add onions and other vegys and had the ham bone and let cook most of the day on med-low heat, checking the water level once in awhile.

RE: How To Use A Ham Bone
Post by malinda (16) | (07/31/2007)

Put the bone in water in a big pot, add chopped cabbage and boil until cabbage starts getting soft, then peel potatoes and cut into small chunks, add to the pot and salt and pepper to taste. Let cook until all is soft and pour into soup bowls, serve with bread and butter and enjoy. Also, boil bone, add salt and pepper and add cubed potatoes. In another pot, cook farfalle (bow ties) until tender, drain. After potatoes are tender, add the bow ties and simmer for about 10 min. Serve.

RE: How To Use A Ham Bone
Post By Graycrab (Guest Post) (07/30/2007)
Make a boiled dinner.
Boil the ham bone in water - add cabbage wedges, potatoes, Rutabaga, carrots, wedged onions and some extra meat if you have it. cook til done. Yummy.

RE: How To Use A Ham Bone
Post By filiavita (Guest Post) (07/30/2007)
Any dry bean is better with a ham bone. My favorites are lima or blackeye peas. Soak beans overnight, rinse, add fresh water and hambone, season as needed, and simmer until done. You can make soup the same way. Choose a mixed dry bean, canned tomatoes, onion, celery, and bay leaves. Cook up some fresh cornbread and either one is cheap, filling, nutritous, and overall excellent meal.

RE: How To Use A Ham Bone
Post By Donna (Guest Post) (07/30/2007)
I usually make Scalloped Potatoes and Ham

RE: How To Use A Ham Bone
Post by jess_admin (425) | (07/30/2007)

Hi, I have done this a couple of times with holiday hams. I just make a broth, similar to making a chicken or turkey stock. I would cover the ham bone in several cups of water. Add a cut up onion, some carrot and celery (with leaves), a bay leaf and some peppercorns. If you have some fatty meat to add, this will just make it richer. Simmer this for a few hours, stirring and breaking up the bone occasionally. Strain and cool to skim the fat off the top (I usually refrigerate overnight).

Then use the broth to make a bean soup. I get the package of 16 bean soup and follow the directions on the package but throw away the ham seasoning packet (or save it for something else) and use the broth instead of the water after the beans have soaked. It has always been delicious!

Jess


1,845 posted on 02/18/2009 10:35:05 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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Vegetable Cheese Chowder

Ingredients

* 5 cups reserved liquid from vegetables and enough water to make 5 cups liquid
* 1-2 cups ham, cut up
* 1 cup cabbage, shredded
* 3 cups onion, chopped
* 1/2 box au gratin potato mix
* 1 cup milk
* 1 can green beans, reserve liquid
* 1 can carrots, sliced, reserve liquid
* Velveeta cheese

Directions
In a soup kettle, combine the reserved liquid from the green beans and carrots plus the water mixture. Add the ham, cabbage, onion, au gratin potato mix and milk. Bring to a boil and simmer for 30 minutes. Add the green beans, carrots and Velveeta. Cook on low heat until cheese is melted.

By Robin from Washington, IA
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1,846 posted on 02/18/2009 10:37:10 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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Kamp Bar Cookies

Ingredients

* 1/2 stick butter
* 1 cup graham cracker crumbs
* 1 package butterscotch bits (6 oz.)
* 1 package chocolate chips (6 oz)
* 1 cup coconut
* 1 cup black walnuts
* 1 can sweetened condensed milk

Directions
Melt butter in 9x13 inch pan. Sprinkle graham cracker crumbs. Layer next 4 ingredients. Drizzle condensed milk over the top. Bake at 350 degrees F for 25 minutes.

By Robin from Washington, IA
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1,847 posted on 02/18/2009 10:39:45 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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How Microclimates Affect Your Garden
By Ellen Brown

How Microclimates Affect Your Garden

How Microclimates Affect Your Garden
Chances are your garden has one or two areas where, despite growing successfully in other parts of the garden, plants seem to struggle. This might be due to a microclimate; a small area in your garden where the climate differs from the surrounding area due to small differences in topography. Things like hills, valleys, trees, and large bodies of water all have an influence on the growing “climate” of your plants. Once you understand the advantages and disadvantages that each type of microclimate has, you’ll be better equipped to successfully meet your plant’s growing requirements.
The Three Main Microclimates

Valleys

Advantages: Nutrients and topsoil regularly wash downhill from surrounding slopes making valley soil some of the richest and most fertile soil for growing plants.

Disadvantages: Cool air is heavier than warm air. It always pools and collects at the lowest point. Unfortunately, that means that garden plots located at the bottoms of valleys are usually subject to the earliest frosts in the fall, and the latest frosts in the spring. In fact, some valleys can be as much as 10 degrees cooler than nearby slopes. A lack of air circulation can also encourage conditions that support fungal diseases, especially in areas where soil lacks good drainage.

Hilltops

Advantages: Because warm air rises, temperatures tend to be more moderate at the tops of hills compared to the surrounding valleys or flat land. Air circulation is greater, so conditions do not favor the development of fungal diseases. In urban areas, balconies and rooftops create similar microclimates, but on a smaller scale.

Disadvantages: Whipping winds (especially in winter) can damage plants, dry out soil and cause the erosion of topsoil. Since water flows downhill, valuable organic nutrients can be quickly washed away.

Slopes

Advantages: Regular breezes can help cool hot temperatures in the afternoon. The warm air that rises over them in the morning helps keep frost at bay. In northern climates, slopes with a southern exposure tend to warm up more quickly than surrounding areas in the spring and remain frost-free longer in the fall. This translates into a slightly longer growing season and potentially, a larger harvest. Raised beds and terrace gardens (especially when facing south) can create microclimates like slopes.

Disadvantages: Gardening on a steep slope can be challenging in terms of water and wind erosion (unless terraced or sheltered by windbreaks). Over time, this can result in a wearing away of valuable topsoil and a lack of soil moisture due to excessive drainage. South facing slopes warm up earlier, which can leave early blooming plants more susceptible to damage from frost.

Other Influences on Microclimates

Bodies of Water

Advantages: Water warms up and cools down at a slower rate than the land that surrounds it. As a result, large bodies of water moderate surrounding air temperatures and give you a longer growing seasons by keeping frost at bay. The larger the body of water, the greater effect it will have on the surrounding environment.

Disadvantages: Winds tend to be stronger near large bodies of water. In climates where large bodies of water freeze over completely, the spring thaw can feel like it’s never going to arrive.

Urban Areas

Advantages: Urban areas, especially large cities, can be as much as one full hardiness zone warmer than the surrounding countryside. This is because urban areas contain large amounts of paved surfaces and concrete structures that absorb heat during the day and then radiate it back into the air at night. The advantage to gardening in a large urban area is that all this radiant heat keeps temperatures moderate in the spring, winter, and fall when plants are at a greater risk of damage from extreme cold. Tall buildings also protect plants by blocking or slowing down the wind.

Disadvantages: Unfortunately, paved surfaces and tall buildings trap summer heat, which can create a blistering environment for plants during the growing season.
Buildings, Walls, Trees, and Fences
Whether they are on your property or your neighbors, buildings, walls, and fences can all create miniature microclimates (little protective nooks) around your yard and garden. (The same is true for large rocks.) During the day, these structures absorb heat. At night, they radiate it back into the air. Depending on their orientation, they can protect plants from the sun, or prevent them from receiving it. Because walls and corners of building generate more turbulence when hit with wind, it is best to avoid planting plants that are easily dried out by strong winds. Don’t forget that buildings can also create “rain shadows” due to their eaves, or on the lee side of the house when rains are accompanied by strong winds.

About The Author:
Ellen Brown is an environmental writer and photographer and the owner of Sustainable Media, an environmental media company that specializes in helping businesses and organizations promote eco-friendly products and services. Contact her on the web at http://www.sustainable-media.com
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1,848 posted on 02/18/2009 10:45:37 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Then there was another election that was contested and before the ballots could be recounted - wouldn’t you know - the Courthouse burned to the ground - with the ballots all inside. Gee - dimocrats won again...<<<

They follow history very well, when it suits them.

There are a lot of folks who don’t buy the JFK murder stories.

Mafia,crooked Johnson/democrats, cuba and russia are my picks, depends on the day it is asked, which I choose.


1,849 posted on 02/18/2009 10:58:27 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: antisocial; DelaWhere

Welcome to the thread, glad you stopped by, do join in the thread if you want.

LOL, we have lots of Texans on here, must be something in the water.

I was born at Brownsfield, Texas.


1,850 posted on 02/18/2009 11:00:53 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Granny, Holly and Stan Deyo have a very interesting site that I check daily...<<<

Years ago, I would hear him on the Art Bell program.

No, I don’t believe in UFO’s, but the first one I saw sure made me pay attention.

LOL, that was before I knew they had U.S. Air Force pilots.

And before I learned where they parked and watched them fly over my head, while I was milking the goats.

They had to fly over me to get on the bombing range, from their well guarded hanger.

I laugh, every time I hear of the UFO’s in Russia, they seem to think they are from outer space.


1,851 posted on 02/18/2009 11:06:04 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: Velveeta

Wasn’t someone coming to work on the roof?<<<

Yes.

He did.

Now I have leaks in new places, some worse.

And he forgot to touch the bathroom or even look at that leak so raincoat is ready.

I give up, will wait for the next high wind, give it the roof and live under the tree.


1,852 posted on 02/18/2009 11:09:08 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

You would never guess that my college work was in Ag Engineering... LOL Only thing that was broad enough to contain my varied interests.... Civil, Structural, Electrical & Mechanical Engineering all rolled into one...<<<

That and a strong back sounds good to me.

None of that is possible for me, I can’t even hire a man to patch the metal roof on the trailer, LOL, no way I would think of hiring one to build something.

No, I can’t handle any of that, as I pass out if I wave my arms around, not enough air left in my lungs for moving around much.

You set up does sound good.


1,853 posted on 02/18/2009 11:13:20 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

We never used to have any till during a drought in the 50’s and we brought in some western hay for the livestock to survive. They said it was prime Bermuda Grass. Hate it!<<<

Yes, and they have to burn the bermuda grass fields, after a few years, the matted grass is impossible to maintain.

Mary and Jay raised it, for the seed and hay on their farm at Wellton.

They say we did not have it and then we did, it is written that it came to America in the belly of an imported cow.


1,854 posted on 02/18/2009 11:17:29 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; Quix

Thanks for the link, I took a quick look.

I have a nuclear survival site open now on a different browser page, that lists something about camps.

Funny, when Clinton was in, we thought he had camps, when Bush was in they thought he had camps.

The way this past month has gone, I would guess the camps have at this time the biggest possibility of being used.


1,855 posted on 02/18/2009 11:26:26 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

0bama running around saying ‘It will get lots worse before it gets better!’ Now talk about encouraging.... <<<

I think that is the only true statement that obama has made.

I am numb, the jihadi are all talking nuclear and WMD, such as Anthrax and other rare diseases and we know they have them and the skill to make more.

Dr. Bill Wattenberg has said so on his program, and he taught making nuclear weapons, etc for maybe 40 years at Chico and Berkley Universities, said he taught many of them all they need to know, they were in his classes.


1,856 posted on 02/18/2009 11:34:47 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

Yes it’s in post 959 and 961<<<

Thank you for the work you put into getting the thread and making it available to others.


1,857 posted on 02/18/2009 11:36:12 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: DelaWhere

Geeeesh... gotta grow my own and protect it myself!!!<<,

That is the only way you will survive.

Didn’t they also sell off our oil that was stockpiled, I know Gore did, when he was around and I think they did again a few months ago.


1,858 posted on 02/18/2009 11:38:47 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

FerFal’s report is alarming and yes it is true.

We have a lot of missing kids here, that disappear.

Denver looses some, but I will say this, if the dispatcher says
“child missing”, the Denver Police come alive and they HUNT for it.

I figure, they know what the end result will be if they don’t find it.

I have heard other police departments, who, kinda shrug their shoulders and make a note of the missing child.

I will check out the cinnamon, when I can.


1,859 posted on 02/18/2009 11:48:21 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion

If the udder is bleeding, use/pour on Peroxide to stop the bleeding, be sure the udder is clean and with clean hands, smear a good fresh honey on it.

Use same treatment for humans.

After kidding, 2 gallons of hot water, a good handful of salt and one to 2 cups of honey.

It will replace the chemicals that the stress of birthing takes out.

There is a medical name for it too, some kind of shock.

For goats, they can do the shock bit, but will also get a caked udder and can die, as women do.

From a granny vantage point, not a trained one, I think it takes the salt and sugar out of the blood, and if women were given honey and salt to replace it, it might take care of some of those after birth blues, you know the ones we hear about and sometimes leads to drowning all your kids, cause you can’t handle it all.

I don’t know how many women I have heard say “I have never been strong since the baby came”.

Did anyone check the blood of the woman?

So, If I ever attend a birth, they are getting honey and salt.

That is about all you need, except vinegar in the drinking water, or lemon juice if you can afford it.

In the heat, my cats, dogs, poultry, and goats get a dash of vinegar in the water, just as we put a slice of lemon in our water when thirsty.

Mary said during the depression, they could not afford lemons in the water, so used vinegar.

And it is cold tonight.


1,860 posted on 02/18/2009 11:58:52 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2181392/posts?page=1 [Survival,food,garden,crafts,and more)
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