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Are you part Neanderthal?
Australian Broadcasting Corporation ^
| Wednesday, 23 August 2006
| Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News
Posted on 08/22/2006 10:25:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
People of European descent may be 5% Neanderthal, according to a DNA study that counters the view that modern humans left Africa and replaced all other existing hominids. The same study, published in the latest issue of the journal PloS Genetics, also says West Africans could be related to an archaic human population... "Instead of a population that left Africa 100,000 years ago and replaced all other archaic human groups, we propose that this population interacted with another population that had been in Europe for much longer, maybe 400,000 years," says Vincent Plagnol... Using statistics and computer modelling, the researchers focused on linkage 'disequilibriums', or sections within genes that did not make sense if only modern human matings are considered... The scientists are not certain which early human group could have contributed to West African DNA, but both Europeans and Africans in the study showed about the same 5% archaic contribution. Neanderthals are believed to have originated in Africa around 400,000 years ago, but they left and then settled in Europe, hence the apparent lack of interaction with modern humans in Africa. Alan Templeton, professor of Evolutionary and Population Programs at the University of Michigan, has also conducted DNA studies and comes to similar conclusions... New technologies are being developed to sequence nuclear DNA from fossils, so in the near future, scientists may learn more about how modern human genes compare with those of archaic humans, like Neanderthals.
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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; multiregionalism; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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title was "Are you part-Neanderthal?" but I took out the unnecessary hyphen.
There may be remnants of Neanderthal genes in the nuclear DNA of people with European ancestors (Image: iStockphoto)
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:25:53 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
a tall glass of the usual, please:
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:26:19 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:26:33 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
To: SunkenCiv
Most of the women I know say I'm ALL Neanderthal!
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:29:02 PM PDT
by
PzLdr
("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
To: SunkenCiv
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:33:20 PM PDT
by
Dallas59
(ISLAMOFASCISM!!!!)
To: SunkenCiv
I'm a Viking, baby. You bet yo' ass I got some Neanderthal in me. LOL
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:35:08 PM PDT
by
Viking2002
(How to spot a hypocrite: those who protest first and loudest, are usually the most guilty.)
To: Dallas59
Thanks, it's great to hear the Old Tongue spoken again. ;')
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:35:40 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
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To: Viking2002
Viking, eh? So, what exactly happened on that boat? ;')
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:36:13 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
To: PzLdr
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:36:30 PM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(updated my FR profile on Thursday, August 10, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
To: SunkenCiv
I'm constrained by Free Republic posting guidelines to divulge or disseminate that sort of information here. LOL -)
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:41:30 PM PDT
by
Viking2002
(How to spot a hypocrite: those who protest first and loudest, are usually the most guilty.)
To: AdmSmith; AnalogReigns; caryatid; CobaltBlue; concentric circles; Domestic Church; Emmalein; ...
To: SunkenCiv
Tawana...
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:43:36 PM PDT
by
Dallas59
(ISLAMOFASCISM!!!!)
To: SunkenCiv
I'll have the roast duck with mango salsa.
To: martin_fierro
That is so funny. I know an intellectual Neanderthal. LOL!
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posted on
08/22/2006 10:53:25 PM PDT
by
phantomworker
("Don't accuse me of your imagination.")
To: SunkenCiv; Viking2002
Vall, dey vent Viking bot de vould-be rapers become de rapEEs. I am not your vadder bot your mudder, said he. Your fadder's a Neandertal from Normandie.
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posted on
08/22/2006 11:03:30 PM PDT
by
Bernard Marx
(Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
To: SunkenCiv
Yes. And not in a small part, either.
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posted on
08/22/2006 11:26:08 PM PDT
by
GSlob
To: SunkenCiv
Yes, I'm Neanderthal-American and I demand that my tribal rights to Europe be honored. All you puny homosapiens better leave my tribal stomping grounds and return the bones of my deceased ancestors.
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posted on
08/23/2006 12:29:27 AM PDT
by
coconutt2000
(NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
To: SunkenCiv
Since I think the'Red Sonja' method of choosing an ideal mate makes perfect sense, I'd say "probably, yes".....:)
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posted on
08/23/2006 1:46:55 AM PDT
by
Salamander
(And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
To: SunkenCiv
The question then is is it a sign of common lineage or a trait that developed seperately, probably as an adaptation to cold weather.
Homo Sapien remains are found in North Africa and the Middle East earlier than in Europe. Hence I find teh prospect of a European evolution from Homo Sapien Neanderthalis to Homo Sapien Sapien unlikely. We are a seperate evolutions from Homo heidelbergensis.
I would note that until recently, people thought that the pattern was H. Habilis --> H. Ergaster --> H. Erectus --> H. Neanderthal --> H. Sapien.
Now we have two branches from H. Ergaster. One is Homo Erectus. The other is Homo heidelbergensis from which we and Neanderthals arose.
Call me a pessimist, but given the history of better armed Homo Sapiens killing off less advanced modern humans, I beleived that our ancestors killed off most Neanderthals, leaving the rest to die out.
Ron
PS. If you want a real headache, imagine if H. Neanderthalis and H. Sapien were seperate species but capable of producing some fertile hybrids. With Neanderthals all but wiped out a few interbred with modern humans. (This is not unheard of. Lions and Tigers can produce viable offspring, some of which can succesfully reproduce. For a less exotic and freaky example, look at canines. Are Wolves and Coyotes really different species? The Red Wolf from a genetic and geographical level seems to be the result of hybridization from male Gray Wolves and female Coyotes. Any of these can also mate with certain breeds of domestic dog.)
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posted on
08/23/2006 2:06:24 AM PDT
by
rmlew
(I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
To: SunkenCiv
Well, almost everyone, even brunettes, has red lights in their hair, fwiw.
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posted on
08/23/2006 2:06:43 AM PDT
by
Sam Cree
(Don't mix alcopops and ufo's)
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