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Trump's Naval Dream Seems Sunk: America Can't Afford a 355 Ship Navy
The National Interest ^ | November 2, 2019 | Michael Peck

Posted on 11/02/2019 6:11:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Like a Christmas wish list, the Navy wants a fleet of 355 ships. It just can’t afford it.

“Will we get to 355 ships?” asked Admiral Robert Burke, the Navy’s Vice Chief of Naval Operations, at a recent conference. “I think with today’s fiscal situation, where the Navy’s top line is right now, we can keep around 305 to 310 ships whole, properly manned, properly maintained, properly equipped, and properly ready.”

The $205.6 billion for Fiscal Year 2020 that the Navy has requested – bigger than the economies of the majority of nations on Earth – would seem to be plenty. But even if Congress approves that amount, it would only bring the Navy’s battle force of warships and support vessels to 314 by 2024. That’s more than the current 280-strong force, but only about four-fifths of the 355-ship goal by 2047.

Burke’s conclusion was logical: more money equals more ships. “If our top line does not go up, if it remains where it is now and is projected to remain in the future defense plans, that’s about where we can get to and do it right, in terms of man those ships and maintain them and have all the ordnance for them and generate readiness,” he said. “We would need an increased top line.”

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: defense; military; navy; trump
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At its peak, the U.S. Navy was operating 6,768 ships on V-J Day in August 1945, including 28 aircraft carriers, 23 battleships, 71 escort carriers, 72 cruisers, over 232 submarines, 377 destroyers, and thousands of amphibious, supply and auxiliary ships.
1 posted on 11/02/2019 6:11:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At that point, the annual military budget was 50% of the economy. It’s now about 3.5%. If we went back to 50%. I expect we could have a 5,000 ship navy. But we’d need to sell a lot of war bonds.


2 posted on 11/02/2019 6:14:14 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Note that a lot of that was due to scale economies. We were making many dozens of a given ship type. Today, it’s a few these, a few of those.


3 posted on 11/02/2019 6:15:41 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

lol


4 posted on 11/02/2019 6:18:02 PM PDT by dp0622 (Radicals, racists Don't point fingers at me I'm a small town white boy Just tryin' to make ends meet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Didn’t we once have a 600 ship Navy back in the 70s or 80s?


5 posted on 11/02/2019 6:20:46 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sad.
They've mothballed 6 cruisers only 26 years old because they can't afford the upkeep. Also retiring the Truman carrier instead of mid-life refueling, because they don't have the money.

Plenty of money for illegal immigrant healthcare and transgender prison inmates,though.

6 posted on 11/02/2019 6:21:49 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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To: Zhang Fei

Aircraft carriers didn’t cost $13 billion dollars either. The light carriers were built on cruiser hulls and the escort carriers were converted merchant ships. The Battle of Leyte Gulf showed that they could still pack a wallop.


7 posted on 11/02/2019 6:22:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: carriage_hill

Reagan called for a 600 ship Navy after the Carter malaise. Came close, but not quite.


8 posted on 11/02/2019 6:24:37 PM PDT by Obadiah (Kill the deep state or lose the Republic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hugh Hellit will be crushed....


9 posted on 11/02/2019 6:25:52 PM PDT by Popman
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To: Zhang Fei; 2ndDivisionVet
All you need is a little Cheesecake! The guys will be handing over their credit cards to buy war bonds! It worked before, we can make it work again! This is AMERICA! ;)


10 posted on 11/02/2019 6:26:10 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (We come from the earth, we return to the earth, and in between we garden.~Alfred Austin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Give him time, he does6 bother with small dreams.


11 posted on 11/02/2019 6:27:38 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

305 into 355 is 86%. So the Navy got 86% of what it wanted out of the budget. To me, “sunk” is an exaggeration. Besides, he’ll get another four years to rebuild the naval command.


12 posted on 11/02/2019 6:28:21 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (The Democrats - Unafraid to burn in Hell.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good God , I went to this .org’s site and they are all chicken little stories of woulda’/shoulda’ and coulda’.....Chicken little has nothing on this group of yahoo’s...they have a section labled “the skeptics”.....Now that I think of it we only have 11 some odd years left anyway....why worry?. More subversive claptrap which will be quoted somewhere on the main stream propaganda pushers show.


13 posted on 11/02/2019 6:29:26 PM PDT by mythenjoseph
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Develop a flight deck that can be quickly laid over the top of shipping containers.

The latest cruise ships have elevators that are attached to the side of the ship.

Put fuel bladders and pumps in some of the containers.


14 posted on 11/02/2019 6:29:26 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

TAKE MY MONEY!


15 posted on 11/02/2019 6:31:20 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Zhang Fei

Dude, I understand you live in China. I also heard China banned FR. How are you here? Glad you are, of course.... but how?


16 posted on 11/02/2019 6:33:57 PM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Oh wait, I’m sorry, I mixed you up with that Chinese national who used to post here.


17 posted on 11/02/2019 6:34:52 PM PDT by Lazamataz (We can be called a racist and we'll just smile. Because we don't care.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL, in the Battle of Leyte Gulf, they very nearly became the ones that got walloped!

But they did throw back enough harassing planes (even though they didn’t have useful ordinance in the initial attack and were forced to try to drop depth charges on the ships and strafe them) at the oncoming Japanese heavyweights.

They even managed to score a few hits from their five inch guns on the pursuing cruisers.

But after the carrier planes refueled and reloaded with real weapons ashore on Leyte, they came back and pasted a few cruisers and by that time, Kurita lost his nerve and withdrew.

Pretty amazing all those carriers weren’t sent to the bottom, but...we hit back with everything but the kitchen sink that day in an effort to stave off disaster...and it worked.


18 posted on 11/02/2019 6:35:20 PM PDT by rlmorel (Trump to China: This Capitalist Will Not Sell You the Rope with Which You Will Hang Us.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
So INNOVATE you insufferable morons.

Propose to SECDEF to investigate cutting deals with countries to base overseas, which will cut down operating costs. Tell POTUS to call in some margins and make it happen. The main threat is China. So Okinawa, South Korea, Australia, Philippines for starters. Then look around the globe and find other places so that the fleets are where we need them.

19 posted on 11/02/2019 6:37:00 PM PDT by Salvavida
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And if you believe government inflation statistics, the best airplane of the war, the P-51 Mustang, cost approx $680,000 in today’s dollars and we built 15,000 of them.


20 posted on 11/02/2019 6:37:58 PM PDT by PGR88
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