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New Fossils Hint 'Hobbit' Humans Are Older Than Thought
National Geographic ^ | June 8, 2016 | Adam Hoffman

Posted on 06/08/2016 7:56:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

For the past decade, a fossil human relative about the size of a toddler has loomed large in the story of our evolutionary history. This mysterious creature—found on the Indonesian island of Flores—has sparked a heated debate about its origins, including questions over its classification as a unique species.

But now, a scattering of teeth and bone may at last unlock the mystery of the “hobbits,” also known as Homo floresiensis.

The 700,000-year-old human remains are the first found outside Liang Bua cave, the site on Flores that yielded the original hobbit fossils. The much older samples show intriguing similarities to H. floresiensis, including their small size, and so provide the best evidence yet of a potential hobbit ancestor....

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TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: aliens; anthropology; archaeology; flores; fossils; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; hobbit; hobbits; homofloresiensis; indonesia; liangbua; liangbuacave; multiregionalism; newbienutjobs; paleontology; science

1 posted on 06/08/2016 7:56:06 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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“I think of Flores as being its own little laboratory of human evolution that will ultimately allow us to understand how the body evolved in response to environmental stresses,” says Potts. “It may take years to develop, but I think it’s a tremendous opportunity.”

I am wondering when we hit our peak? Because it appears the human race is devolving at an ever increasing pace.

2 posted on 06/08/2016 8:06:33 PM PDT by disndat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Long lived species.


3 posted on 06/08/2016 8:07:07 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: disndat

4 posted on 06/08/2016 8:11:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I say “Whip It” is that racist?


5 posted on 06/08/2016 8:13:01 PM PDT by disndat
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I think perhaps I am an offshoot of the hobbit clan, LOL. I know my wife has to be.


6 posted on 06/08/2016 8:19:50 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Tricksey Hobbitses


7 posted on 06/08/2016 8:21:32 PM PDT by Donglalinger
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This is baloney. Earth is only 6000 years old. /:)


8 posted on 06/08/2016 8:21:35 PM PDT by entropy12 (When you vote, you are actually voting for the candidate's rich donors!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are very interesting arguments that the huge number of birth defects in our species, two chromosomes that are fused together in our DNA, and large amounts of genetic information that seems to serve no purpose, are evidence we did not evolve, but were genetically engineered. They postulate further that the “missing link” period in our history represents such an enormous leap between a bipedal ape with night vision, gorilla structure and brain, to the frail boned frame with self-destructive joints, thousands of genetic diseases and a brain that can concieve of cities and writing and ethics and music, that evolution should have taken millions of years but these changes happened in less than 100,000. Their theory is that a higher form not adapted to this world spliced its DNA with resident apes. They make interesting notes about the Bibles’ “the sons of heaven found the daughters of earth fair, mated with them, and there were giants in the earth in those days” and why patriarchs in Genesis lived these hundreds of years before God arbitrarily decided our years end at 120. And scientists indeed agree we have a “genetic clock”. Very Interesting Stuff.


9 posted on 06/09/2016 12:55:11 AM PDT by Ketill Frostbeard ("Go not a step from your door unarmed, travel armed for war, you may at any time need a spear." ODIN)
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To: Ketill Frostbeard

1. Awesome name.

2. Many of my favorite episodes of Coast-to-Coast AM were discussions about the Nephilim. I don’t know that I believe it, but it’s a fascinating subject.


10 posted on 06/09/2016 3:09:00 AM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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11 posted on 06/09/2016 4:34:41 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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To: perez24
I got into the subject with Lloyd Pye's Everything You Know Is Wrong. While I don't support his conclusions, it opens the door to some interesting questions for which I don't have answers.

I actually took some time looking for that name because I had a bit of a born-again Nordic experience. Another example of interesting questions with no conclusions. When I pray, as a Christian, I feel the presence of the Spirit, I feel that Jesus is love and the Gateway to heaven, but never answers. And always guilty and judging myself for expecting anything, like I should be grateful I'm not covered with maggots in a gutter in Calcutta.

Long story short, I had an exacerbating health issue and prayed about it, as usual I got bupkus, but decades of silence made me mad. I had a very angry one-sided convo with a silent Almighty, then proposed an experiment, and put my request to "whatever spirits or gods, I don't know what you are orcif you are, but if you looked after my ancestors in ancient times, show me you're there and consider my request." I went for a walk to cool off and I hadn't gone forty yards and a bald eagle with a squirrel in it's talons literally buzzed me, I could have hit it with a stick...OKAY...THAT was a hell of a coincidence...

Then my health started changing. My energy increased. It was like I had been walking with eyes at half mast and now I woke up. I needed a fraction of the sleep I needed before. My shoulder joint issues subsided into a vague reminder. I didn't see an old man in the mirror anymore. A month ago I started a hardcore diet and willpower seems completely beside the point, I just decided it, so it is. The way I deal with people, I feel confidence to a level that I don't want to "shine" too much and be overbearing. I could go on.

Where I am not having overwhelming confidence, is where I go from here. This makes me question my own stability as well as my relations with the Almighty and I keep thinking about how crazy some wackos get over religion and things they choose to believe. It was many weeks before I even tried another "conversation with my elders", and I had this clear feeling that while I had mainly been addressing a father god, he was pushing forward another person to help with an issue I hadn't prayed about yet, with advice on how to dedicate certain things I had been having failures with to them, so they could find me success.

The last thing I was expecting was an answer to prayer, and the context of the answer is a lot like the story, I asked for a fish, I'm being given a fishing rod rather than a fish. There is actually someone there, but it's like a holy family of some sort, always available, but I'm notvsurexabout visiting them. Going on two months I've done this "experiment" twice.

I'm still in a crisis. I still pray to God in the name of Jesus Christ. I still get silence. I still get the Presence and the feeling of Christ's love. But my guilt is entirely, completely, gone. And I miss it! Its almost like feeling unworthy was at least some kind of communication, some kind of answer. And I can't deny the changes, the crazy events. It's like I set the rules of the experiment, I had a result, I can't go on like the result happened.

My longwinded explanation of my "Viking name". And my chance to come out of my closet, tyvm ;) I pored over the Norse names and meaning thereof until I decided it was silly, often the names they gave themselves were intended to be humorous. For some reason I jyst always liked the sound of Ketill. It literally means an iron kettle and sometimes an iron helmet. Well, I've got a hard belly again and I've always had a hard head. "Whitebeard" or "Frostbeard" is one of the aliases of Odin, and since there's a white skunk's stripe down the center of my beard, I took it. I'm letting it grow, normally I shave, but I read the Lombard sect let their beards grow as a dedication to Odin, so.

I'm waiting until I feel ready for conversation 3, which is going to be different. In my research I came across a simple "rite of Bragi" where you dedicate a drink to the Holy Family (that's my term for them lately) and then you look at the surface of the drink, and you're supposed to experience something. I'm not in a hurry, frankly. So, there it is. Thanks for being my "victim" in my coming out. Now the pronouncements of insanity and eternal hellfire can begin, I'm ready ;)

12 posted on 06/09/2016 6:40:01 AM PDT by Ketill Frostbeard ("Go not a step from your door unarmed, travel armed for war, you may at any time need a spear." ODIN)
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To: disndat; 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, “devolving” in that we are searching for the remains of an imaginary group of beings, i.e. Tolkien’s Hobbits. Who out there will conduct the search for the remains of elves and orcs.


13 posted on 06/09/2016 7:48:13 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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