Posted on 10/14/2013 9:17:36 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
Patrick J. Buchanan has raised the question asked here fifteen months ago: Is there a peaceful civil secession of Red States underway? Originally raised here in July 2012, we asked if there wasn’t a real possibility of what we described as a “constructive secession” which would accomplish what The Confederacy could not achieve.
As we described the situation those states that have grown tired of the overbearing Barack Obama Administration and see it as no longer intolerable could engage in conduct that would amount to de facto if not a de jure secession from the United States.
Red Staters have long recognized that if we can’t find a way to stop Obama’s shredding of our Constitution by his arrogant abuse of Executive Orders we are certainly headed for a...
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Exactly right.
It's been estimated that during the Iraq war, there were never more than fifteen thousand 'insurgents' engaged in active hostilities against U.S. forces, yet they managed to tie up our entire military for nearly ten years.
In the end, we left without achieving a real victory, and that country is now rapidly reverting to what it was before we arrived.
What sort of odds does anyone think the U.S. military would have against MILLIONS of armed American 'insurgents', fighting for their families, their homes, and their very freedom?
I like it.
Good luck with that.
You wonder why grey hairs predominate at every Tea Party gathering and protest? It's because the public schools quit teaching the fundamentals of American citizenship, our history, and constitutional principles back in the 60s.
You've got two or three dumbed down generations of ignorant government dependents to bring up to speed before the whole thing crashes. Do you really think you (or we) can win that race?
I wish secession was a concern. That, at least, is a somewhat controlled movement with an objective. Sure, it could end in violence, but it doesn’t have to.
The problem is, we’re facing a complete systemic collapse. It’s just a matter of time. IMHO, it’s too late to stop.
There won’t be a negotiated settlement when that happens, nor will there be a way to stop the violence once it starts.
I find it ironic that the people who prattle on about “sustainability”, never turn that metric to the government that many of them worship.
People do not change. Human nature is the same now as it was in 1861, or 1775 or the day that that Cain slew Abel, for that matter. Faced with the imminent loss of power (and probably the means of food and energy production) the Federal government will put boots on the ground in your hometown faster than you can say "Abraham Lincoln". And all it takes to force a soldier to obey any order is put another soldier behind him with orders to shoot him if he hesitates. It worked for the Soviets, and it would work for Barack.
Yes.
Attorney General Greg Abbott is running for governor. I'm sure Hussein and Holder are gnashing their teeth over that. No way do they want him as governor. He has spit in their eyes many times and will continue to do it when governor.
I think being confined to a wheelchair since his college days and not letting it stop his life, has made him fearless - he doesn't give a s-— about Hussein/Holder's edicts. He is also able to verbalize/state his case, very well, as Perry never could.
Have you been telling low-information voters about the Founding States' division of federal and state government powers, this division of powers evidenced by the Constitution's Section 8 of Article I, Article V and the 10th Amendment?
Even if the states were able to do that, what’s to stop the feds from printing up a ton of new dollars in order to retain control over the states through devaluation of the currency? Wouldn’t the creation of a new currency recognized by the world’s largest economies be one of the first steps a new red state nation would have to take?
The new division won’t be state to state, or county to county. It will be door to door. Talk of secession is silly and immature - a modern secession movement would be much more catastrophic as the last one we tried.
My point is that the information is out there, and has been continuosly available for decades. We beat these points to death on Fox, on talk radio, on a hundred thousand web sites. Those who wish to know, know. Those who do not know mostly do not want to know. Education will get us no further. The lines are drawn.
“The left hates the idea of secession of those they seek to subjugate. It really gets them in a twist.”
The tick needs the dog.
Absolutely, which is why I fully support his run for Texas Governor. From where I sit, there hasn't been a stronger advocate/defender of the state of Texas in recent memory than AG Greg Abbott.
Others may talk a good game, but Greg Abbott has stood in the devil's face and spit in his eye for this state. That counts for more than a thousand puffed up speeches by his opponents.
If push comes to shove in the near term future of the American union, I know that, as Governor, Greg Abbott will wisely choose the correct course for Texas.
I don't know where you're coming from. I have no doubt that immigrants, for example, would catch on to the division of federal and state government powers probably right away.
My point is that the information is out there, and has been continuosly available for decades.
Obama guard dog Fx News remains basically silent about the federal government's constitutionally limited powers because viewers would probably get up to speed with it right away.
Perhaps. But the only other alternatives are one side or the other leaves and goes elsewhere (fat chance) or we suffer a Cultural Revolution-style purge. The old society is dead, and the Brave New society does not have room for everyone.
You’re right, but I think it’s more than that.
In recent convos with lib relatives, they seem to put a very high value on, as if it is of the highest virtue, that
“we’re all in the same boat”.
Then you're overly optimistic about how much time we have left, my friend.
It took generations for us to get to the point where the average citizen is now willingly supporting the destruction of the republic and our Founding Ideals. There isn't time enough to turn that around before the hard left and their Marxist Fuhrer bring everything to a head.
I'm afraid we'll have to remedy the people's abysmal lack of education after we've handled the current crisis through other means.
I've heard this a lot, lately. Someone is scared.
Wait until us Blue State FReepers can move there first. We’ll trade you for any liberals you got down there.
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