Posted on 10/14/2013 9:17:36 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
Patrick J. Buchanan has raised the question asked here fifteen months ago: Is there a peaceful civil secession of Red States underway? Originally raised here in July 2012, we asked if there wasn’t a real possibility of what we described as a “constructive secession” which would accomplish what The Confederacy could not achieve.
As we described the situation those states that have grown tired of the overbearing Barack Obama Administration and see it as no longer intolerable could engage in conduct that would amount to de facto if not a de jure secession from the United States.
Red Staters have long recognized that if we can’t find a way to stop Obama’s shredding of our Constitution by his arrogant abuse of Executive Orders we are certainly headed for a...
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It would be much harder to do now because of direct withholding. The feds now get their hands on your money before you do so they can extort you, your community, your state into doing what they want - unless you are willing to walk away from the federal 'benefits'.
jboot wites:
“That is solution #3 to the problem of irreconcilable cultural differences. It comes after Migration and Partition. When neither of the other two are possible, or if they fail to resolve the issue, then sooner or later someone will cry “havoc”.
This progression of events is as old has humanity and is immutable.”
True.
You are exactly right, But it will not be a rehash of 1861-1865. Asymmetrical warfare is a b*tch. The invaders had best not imagine that they will be able to resume their happy lives when they are done. There may be no home to return to.
When such action is take by Red States, such as Louisiana, Mississippi, Alaska, West Virginia, North Dakota, Kentucky, and South Carolina, there would have to be a demand by these newly formed independent nations to the to the current federal government to pay Reparations so that these new nations could make up for the loss in the money that they currently receive from the federal government.
Good point. The States have to get control of the taxes paid to the Feds. Otherwise, this is a fool’s errand.
Yes they are ignoring federal law!
So, states that don't want illegals overrunning their communities should band together, start rounding up the illegals within their borders and ship them off to all of those caring, liberal, "sanctuary" cities and states. Just ignore all federal edicts and laws regarding the handling of the invaders and let the "Sanctuary" places have them.
We in the South just want to be left alone
We want to live our lives how we want to
we want very small government and freedom
The free market must be left alone to provide the multitude of products and services that actually work (unlike oppressive government that doesn’t work)
for this the media and democrats call us racists, because we want freedom and to be left alone
The next step in restoring state sovereignty is for states to require that all tax collections be escrowed within the state until the legislature authorizes their release.
That would work.
I suspect that many patriots who play with the idea of secession are guilty of not knowing why the Founding States made the Constitution in the first place, which was to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.
The challenge for constitutionally-enlightend patriots is the following. They need to get low-information voters, including their fellow patriots, up to speed on the federal government’s limited powers so that they can see how DC lawmakers have been lying to them about their abuse of powers.
many of these morons have daily 3 hours shows in which they could repeatedly call for the resignation of this communist demon Obama. they could detail its many unconstitutional acts including Obama ordering the IRS to rig the election for Obama and the democrats. they could beat the drum for protests, to call for it's resignation, but they choose only to follow the mainstream media
Of course, most of the natural resources are in the potential seceeding states, so they would have a powerful bargaining chip. Assuming that the means of production of said resources were not a casualty of the war, which is not a given.
All things considered, a "big" secession has the greatest chance of success.
Hey, some of us ex-Californios are model Texans now!
BTW, I'm all for Texas snipping the political bonds with the former USA. Wouldn't take long for the rest of the red states to join us in a restored constitutional republic. In not too long a time, the blue states would come crawling on hands and knees, begging us to come back.
They'd probably hate the terms of re-unification, though. Left-liberalism in all its forms would be abolished by constitutional amendment for starters, and the welfare state would be a thing of the past.
To put a fine point on the matter: our founding fathers did not seek to educate the Tories. They sought to drive them out.
Good point, except Obama and Holder will bring the full weight of the federal leviathan down on any red state that tries to ignore their pet mandates, regulations, and laws.
They've already sued individual states for clamping down on voter fraud, or for instituting state laws that reinforce federal immigration law.
This isn't 1861. Americans no longer have the stomach to murder millions of their fellow citizens over a matter of political union, and there will be no public support for any regime that attempts to use our military for such overt suppression.
We already have such conventions in place. They're called state legislatures, and they all have the power to draw up and pass Articles of Secession.
What I fear most is a catastrophic miscalculation on the part of government that will start violence that cannot be stopped. This business of deliberately targeting veterans in shutting down federal services was absolutely deliberate and entirely unnecessary - these have very little ability to affect the outcome of the logjam in federal government but are a prime target for the sort of class warfare that the current administration can't seem to outgrow. That immaturity in office is like a four-year-old with a loaded revolver in hand.
The only hope I held to in 2008 when the ship of state careened to the left was that 0bama could grow in office. He hasn't. He has become more bitter, more ineffectual, more hostile and divisive, more like then general of an occupying army than a political leader. He's not going to grow, and neither are his people.
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