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John Kerry Lost the election tonight
10-01-04 | John Knight

Posted on 09/30/2004 7:59:58 PM PDT by MNJohnnie

It is unfortunate when people confuse relentlessly negative critical comments as intellectual sophistication. There is this strange fascination with a certain segment of Freepers. They seem to think if they are playing devils advocate ALL the time and making constantly critical comments about their own side, it makes them seem thoughtful and intelligent. Maybe we should have a term for this? Call it "McCainism" A metal defect that requires the victim to constantly critize their own side while NEVER pointing out where the other side blew it. Mccainism does not make you look smart. See REAL intelligence would be to provide some serious BALANCED review not this hysterical "OH WE LOST! IT IS ALL OVER" chicken little screech time after time, post after post.

Mark my words Boy's and Girls, John Kerry just lost the election tonight. Since most who suffer from McCainism seem to be lawyers, I will put it to you in terms you might understand. John Kerry may, or may not, have won the formal debate but he didn't win the Jury. And you people always forget this one fact. The JURY (i.e. The American people), not the Debate coaches decides the election.

John Kerry lost the election tonight people. You heard it here first.


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To: saigon

It isn't that the debates won't make much difference, but that this debate will make NO difference. Even if you conclude Kerry won (and I can "win" any debate by prepared lying like he did), the fact that the entire debate was on foreign policy made those that tuned in turn the station. Hell, I was getting bored with the subjects being discussed, at least to some extent.

The so-called undecideds are that way not because of Iraq or foreign policy. All those to whom that is a big issue have made up their mind.

I agree with the original post. Any negativity from this BS is absurd, and likely from the same people that thought Bush was sunk in June; that Rove had screwed up big time, etc.

By tomorrow, the focus will be on some mistake or misstatement by Kerry, not Bush. Mark my words.


41 posted on 09/30/2004 8:14:10 PM PDT by 1L
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To: MNJohnnie
Mark my words Boy's and Girls, John Kerry just lost the election tonight. Since most who suffer from McCainism seem to be lawyers, I will put it to you in terms you might understand. John Kerry may, or may not, have won the formal debate but he didn't win the Jury. And you people always forget this one fact. The JURY (i.e. The American people), not the Debate coaches decides the election.

I agree with you in part on this. I don't think that John Kerry won the American people over to him. But I also don't think that he moved people away from him. Kerry probably "won" the debate by a very slight margin, but I don't think in a way that will have any significant effect on the polls or the election.

Bush led going into the debate, he's going to continue to lead coming out of the debate. And while, I agree the Kerry will lose the election, I don't think that it will be as a result of tonight.

42 posted on 09/30/2004 8:15:23 PM PDT by usapatriot28
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To: The Wizard

Hey! I looked at this thread-title, chuckled, and said, "The Wizard."

First time I've been wrong!

...well, about that.

Dan


43 posted on 09/30/2004 8:15:36 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: MNJohnnie

I listened to the whole debate and I kept hearing Kerry say that he has a plan...but I must have missed something because I still haven't got a clue as to what "THE PLAN" is..did anyone catch it and could you clue me in on it?


44 posted on 09/30/2004 8:15:48 PM PDT by leenie312 (1 John:4-6)
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To: groanup

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought I heard Kerry say he would eliminate all U.S. nuclear weapons....as a starting point...before others eliminated theirs.


45 posted on 09/30/2004 8:15:53 PM PDT by Sleeping Freeper
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To: quantim

I personally didn't enjoy reading the FR threads tonight on the debates, because so many comments were negative. I thought Bush did a good job, he made me believe that he was sincere as he stated his positions clearly. I trust him and I'm going to vote for him. Nuff said.


46 posted on 09/30/2004 8:16:19 PM PDT by Ciexyz (At his first crisis, "President" Kerry will sail his Swiftboat to safety, then call Teddy.)
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To: Josh in PA

"Lehrer didn't ask a SINGLE QUESTION about Kerry's Senate record. "

EXACTLY -
Not a single question like -
Sen Kerry, what do you feel are the most important votes regarding foreign policy that you cast in the past 20 years ?


47 posted on 09/30/2004 8:17:01 PM PDT by RS (Just because the Pajama Posse is out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: Josh in PA

"Lehrer didn't ask a SINGLE QUESTION about Kerry's Senate record. "

EXACTLY -
Not a single question like -
Sen Kerry, what do you feel are the most important votes regarding foreign policy that you cast in the past 20 years ?


48 posted on 09/30/2004 8:17:19 PM PDT by RS (Just because the Pajama Posse is out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: groanup

someone on another thread said Kerry lied better than Bush told the truth. Kerry had the advantage like a terrorist in some respects. He can sit on the side, use alot of disparate facts unrelated to a general view of things and pound away. He was like a sunday morning quarterback. I wanted the Pres to say that a war wasnt perfect, it wasn;t a movie and that this is an ongoing battle and there will be mistakes, things not done as fast as we want them, etc. I wanted the Pres to say it is easy to run a war in retro when you aren;t the man in the big chair. I dont think this debate changed any minds, I really don;t


49 posted on 09/30/2004 8:17:32 PM PDT by cajungirl (Jammies Up!!)
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To: flashbunny

What you said!

It's perfectly OK to post your opinions on this forum, people, and it's perfectly OK for someone to disagree with you.

I thought many posters were making negative comments were raising legitimate concerns in their posts. I thought some of the posters were not.

Here's what we need to keep in mind, especially with the lesson from Dan Rather, and the bias of the MSM - they do NOT, I repeat NOT have their fingers on the pulse of American voters. They will say Kerry won, and many already have. What matters is the vote on Nov. 2.


50 posted on 09/30/2004 8:18:45 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (FLUSH THE JOHNS IN 2004!!!!)
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To: wagglebee
I'm not sure that Bush picked up any undecideds tonight, but I am certain that sKerry's anti-terror "tough talk" sent a bunch of his peacenik voters over to Nader.

You are absolutely right! Especially since he said Iraq needs MORE troops.

51 posted on 09/30/2004 8:19:25 PM PDT by hobson
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To: leenie312



Me too.... I keep hearing about this plan Kerry has but other than kissing french a$$ I haven't a clue as to what it is.


52 posted on 09/30/2004 8:19:35 PM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: usapatriot28

I agree with you that KErry will lose the election but not because of tonight. I think Kerry had already lost the election before the first debate period. He sounded just like I would imagine a 20 year senator would. Smooth and full of fluff. Thats all senators do is talk.

Because when you come down to your basic decision, with all Kerry said tonight he still did not give me a reason to vote for him but only why you shouldn't vote for President Bush and it wasn't enough.


53 posted on 09/30/2004 8:19:40 PM PDT by saigon
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To: MNJohnnie
The moderator framed the questions so that Bush was on the defensive. This is understandable to an extent since he is the incumbent. But this was not just one-sided, it was from start to finish questioning Bush's record with no questioning of the other side. Its really despicable journalism.

Bush is not articulate, Bush was not completely on his game, Bush faced two opponents in the debate questioning his 4 years. It is not surprising that he had a tough time of it tonight facing that.

I personally think the debate was essentially a draw. Bush was back on his heels for obvious reasons, but held his own under relentless pursuit. He wasn't able to get a consistent offense going like he wanted and was kept at arms length from Kerry.

Pulling out a draw in situation like that is pretty good actually. We have two debates left. The expectations for Kerry are much higher in those than they were in this one.

Remember that the consensus is that President Reagan lost the first debate with Mondale fairly badly, not a draw. But we aren't reading about President Mondale in the history books.
54 posted on 09/30/2004 8:19:43 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Sleeping Freeper

Seems like he's making Russia our enemy again and not planning on fighting a nontraditional war with terrorists.


55 posted on 09/30/2004 8:21:08 PM PDT by swheats
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To: DSBull

I think so many people were so focused on "commanding" of the facts Kerry was supposed to be that they didn't really listen to his words. It was all about emotions and feelings. He said some darn scary stuff actually!


56 posted on 09/30/2004 8:21:37 PM PDT by ladyinred ("John Kerry reporting for spitball and typewriter duty.")
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To: groanup

I disagree. Kerry did not win the debate. He got his ass kicked from pillar to post. He may have sounded good on radio, but he looked like rotten meat on TV. It was the nitpicker v. the man of vision. And don't pay any attention to the pundits. Wait for the polls. I guarantee that women, like my wife, loved Bush.

Kerry is a pedantic girlie man.

Quit worrying. GWB hit a home run tonight. He put a hurtin on Kerry. Game over.

Brilliant strategy to put foreign policy 1st.


58 posted on 09/30/2004 8:21:59 PM PDT by Jonah Lomu (John F. Kerry plan for Iraq: Pre-emptive surrender)
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To: Teplukin
I don't think so. The great unwashed that doesn't have brains enough to make up their minds will go with what the MSM is telling them, and that is that Bush lost the debate and thus the polls will show that Bush will loose ground, which will generate more momentum for Kerry. But thankfully , Kerry is a terrible candidate and will screw up this lead and just in time for the next debate...
59 posted on 09/30/2004 8:22:04 PM PDT by DSBull (Truth is the light of the World, shine it everywhere)
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To: cajungirl
Kerry called the war in Iraq a diversion.
Then he said he would have built a better coalition for it.


Dubya's response was a classic;


"How do you ask, Come join us for the Grand Diversion?"
60 posted on 09/30/2004 8:22:14 PM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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