Posted on 09/30/2004 7:59:58 PM PDT by MNJohnnie
It is unfortunate when people confuse relentlessly negative critical comments as intellectual sophistication. There is this strange fascination with a certain segment of Freepers. They seem to think if they are playing devils advocate ALL the time and making constantly critical comments about their own side, it makes them seem thoughtful and intelligent. Maybe we should have a term for this? Call it "McCainism" A metal defect that requires the victim to constantly critize their own side while NEVER pointing out where the other side blew it. Mccainism does not make you look smart. See REAL intelligence would be to provide some serious BALANCED review not this hysterical "OH WE LOST! IT IS ALL OVER" chicken little screech time after time, post after post.
Mark my words Boy's and Girls, John Kerry just lost the election tonight. Since most who suffer from McCainism seem to be lawyers, I will put it to you in terms you might understand. John Kerry may, or may not, have won the formal debate but he didn't win the Jury. And you people always forget this one fact. The JURY (i.e. The American people), not the Debate coaches decides the election.
John Kerry lost the election tonight people. You heard it here first.
It isn't that the debates won't make much difference, but that this debate will make NO difference. Even if you conclude Kerry won (and I can "win" any debate by prepared lying like he did), the fact that the entire debate was on foreign policy made those that tuned in turn the station. Hell, I was getting bored with the subjects being discussed, at least to some extent.
The so-called undecideds are that way not because of Iraq or foreign policy. All those to whom that is a big issue have made up their mind.
I agree with the original post. Any negativity from this BS is absurd, and likely from the same people that thought Bush was sunk in June; that Rove had screwed up big time, etc.
By tomorrow, the focus will be on some mistake or misstatement by Kerry, not Bush. Mark my words.
I agree with you in part on this. I don't think that John Kerry won the American people over to him. But I also don't think that he moved people away from him. Kerry probably "won" the debate by a very slight margin, but I don't think in a way that will have any significant effect on the polls or the election.
Bush led going into the debate, he's going to continue to lead coming out of the debate. And while, I agree the Kerry will lose the election, I don't think that it will be as a result of tonight.
Hey! I looked at this thread-title, chuckled, and said, "The Wizard."
First time I've been wrong!
...well, about that.
Dan
I listened to the whole debate and I kept hearing Kerry say that he has a plan...but I must have missed something because I still haven't got a clue as to what "THE PLAN" is..did anyone catch it and could you clue me in on it?
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought I heard Kerry say he would eliminate all U.S. nuclear weapons....as a starting point...before others eliminated theirs.
I personally didn't enjoy reading the FR threads tonight on the debates, because so many comments were negative. I thought Bush did a good job, he made me believe that he was sincere as he stated his positions clearly. I trust him and I'm going to vote for him. Nuff said.
"Lehrer didn't ask a SINGLE QUESTION about Kerry's Senate record. "
EXACTLY -
Not a single question like -
Sen Kerry, what do you feel are the most important votes regarding foreign policy that you cast in the past 20 years ?
"Lehrer didn't ask a SINGLE QUESTION about Kerry's Senate record. "
EXACTLY -
Not a single question like -
Sen Kerry, what do you feel are the most important votes regarding foreign policy that you cast in the past 20 years ?
someone on another thread said Kerry lied better than Bush told the truth. Kerry had the advantage like a terrorist in some respects. He can sit on the side, use alot of disparate facts unrelated to a general view of things and pound away. He was like a sunday morning quarterback. I wanted the Pres to say that a war wasnt perfect, it wasn;t a movie and that this is an ongoing battle and there will be mistakes, things not done as fast as we want them, etc. I wanted the Pres to say it is easy to run a war in retro when you aren;t the man in the big chair. I dont think this debate changed any minds, I really don;t
What you said!
It's perfectly OK to post your opinions on this forum, people, and it's perfectly OK for someone to disagree with you.
I thought many posters were making negative comments were raising legitimate concerns in their posts. I thought some of the posters were not.
Here's what we need to keep in mind, especially with the lesson from Dan Rather, and the bias of the MSM - they do NOT, I repeat NOT have their fingers on the pulse of American voters. They will say Kerry won, and many already have. What matters is the vote on Nov. 2.
You are absolutely right! Especially since he said Iraq needs MORE troops.
Me too.... I keep hearing about this plan Kerry has but other than kissing french a$$ I haven't a clue as to what it is.
I agree with you that KErry will lose the election but not because of tonight. I think Kerry had already lost the election before the first debate period. He sounded just like I would imagine a 20 year senator would. Smooth and full of fluff. Thats all senators do is talk.
Because when you come down to your basic decision, with all Kerry said tonight he still did not give me a reason to vote for him but only why you shouldn't vote for President Bush and it wasn't enough.
Seems like he's making Russia our enemy again and not planning on fighting a nontraditional war with terrorists.
I think so many people were so focused on "commanding" of the facts Kerry was supposed to be that they didn't really listen to his words. It was all about emotions and feelings. He said some darn scary stuff actually!
I disagree. Kerry did not win the debate. He got his ass kicked from pillar to post. He may have sounded good on radio, but he looked like rotten meat on TV. It was the nitpicker v. the man of vision. And don't pay any attention to the pundits. Wait for the polls. I guarantee that women, like my wife, loved Bush.
Kerry is a pedantic girlie man.
Quit worrying. GWB hit a home run tonight. He put a hurtin on Kerry. Game over.
Brilliant strategy to put foreign policy 1st.
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