Posted on 02/23/2010 8:02:16 AM PST by butterdezillion
I've updated my blog to include the e-mail from Janice Okubo confirming that they assign birth certificate numbers in the state registrar's office and the day they do that is the "Date filed by state registrar".
The pertinent portion from Okubo's e-mail:
In regards to the terms “date accepted” and “date filed” on a Hawaii birth certificate, the department has no records that define these terms. Historically, the terms “Date accepted by the State Registrar” and “Date filed by the State Registrar” referred to the date a record was received in a Department of Health office (on the island of O’ahu or on the neighbor islands of Kaua’i, Hawai’i, Maui, Moloka’i, or Lana’i), and the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office located on the island of O’ahu) respectively.
MY SUMMARY: As you can see, Okubo said that the “Date filed by the State Registrar” is the date a file number was placed on a record (only done in the main office).
There are no pre-numbered certificates. A certificate given a certificate number on Aug 8th (Obama’s Factcheck COLB) would not be given a later number than a certificate given a number on Aug 11th (the Nordyke certificates).
There is no way that both the date filed and the certificate number can be correct on the Factcheck COLB. The COLB is thus proven to be a forgery.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081222/NEWS01/812220320/-1/RSS02?source=rss_localnews
NORDYKE ARTICLE REMOVED. Here’s the text:
December 22, 2008
Twin sisters, Obama on parallel paths for years
Born in same hospital within hours of each other, educated together
Retracing the steps of history, Eleanor Nordyke now realizes that she was in labor with twin daughters while Barack Obama, now the president-elect, was being born at what is now Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children.
The twins, Susan “Nunu” Bell and Gretchen “Nini” Worthington, were not only born in the same hospital hours after the future president, but also ended up in the same classes with Obama at Noelani Elementary School and later at Punahou School from the seventh grade to graduation in 1979.
“I think it was remarkable that they just so happened to be born within 24 hours of each other and grew up knowing each other,” Nordyke said.
She did not know Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while they were in labor together on Aug. 4, 1961, at the old Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.
But Nordyke was a population research fellow at the East-West Center while Dunham was there. And Nordyke later met Madelyn Dunham — Ann Dunham’s mother and Obama’s grandmother — during a cruise to Tahiti in 2002.
“She was placed at our table on the ship,” Nordyke said. “She sat with us on that ship for three weeks. She told us that her daughter had passed away and that she had raised her grandson, and he was a social worker in Chicago.”
When Obama was making his successful presidential run, Nordyke realized that her daughters were born within hours of him at the same hospital.
The Hawai’i certificate of live birth that Obama displays on his Web site shows he was born at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4.
Nordyke was well into labor by then with girls who were three weeks premature. By 2 p.m. the following day, Susan was born at 5 pounds, 12 ounces, and Gretchen weighed in at 6 pounds, 4 ounces.
As toddlers, the girls called each other “Nunu” and “Nini” “and the other children picked it up, and we held onto it all this time,” Nordyke said.
With the names Nordyke and Obama, the twins were often pictured near Obama in their class yearbooks, their mother said.
The daughters now live on the Mainland, and neither returned repeated telephone messages seeking comment.
But one or both may return to Honolulu in June when their class celebrates its 30th reunion, Nordyke said.
Reach Dan Nakaso at dnakaso@honoluluadvertiser.com.
I agree with your point that he should have presented the documentation before it ever came to a lawsuit.
But his representation should have known that in Quo Warranto he could be required to show the documentation anyway so it would save a lot of trouble just to do it right away anyway.
And (though I know this wasn’t in your point at all; you made your point well) if the homeschooler presented fake documents and posted them online and had people make public statements about it, it would be more analogous.
My secretary of state told me that there is no legal requirement for the documents to be produced because the people have the power to vet the candidates. If Obama had merely made the argument that he doesn’t legally have to produce the documents the public would have possibly said, “Then screw you.” What he did was say he didn’t have to produce the legal documents but then produced illegal ones. And Americans swallowed it.
It exactly conforms to Wong, which says it is a constitutional question.
parsy, who says you would to have to ask if you would read the case!
Name & court please?
http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-answers-curious-students-question-about-birthplace/comment-page-1/
The kid asked “Were you really born in Hawaii?”
“Yes I was, absolutely!” replied The Kenyan.
Then, the Kenyan quickly changes the subject to his dog named bo.
Before you go calling someone a derogative name, I suggest you actually understand.
It says that ‘natural born’ citizens are NOT defined in any modern statute!
Geez, you are drunker than I thought.
The problem is that Obama can’t prove he was born in Hawaii. My bet is that he doesn’t really know because it was reported to the state registrar’s office by unreliable sources or documents.
No, I had a bad attack of TDS. (Toxic Drivel Shock) I had to take an antacid pill, and a valium. Its like the theme song in Love Story. (Where Do I begin?)
First, yes Queen Bee, the American people want their president to be determined by reference to Roman Law. I notice there has been quite a growth lately in the number resolved after reading about Caligua.
Next, have you ever read Wong????
parsy, who is waiting for the valium to work so that he might ROTFLMAO once again....
A lot of kerfuffles are shown to be nothing in retrospect.
Then again, a lot of things that are actually quite significant aren’t remembered later because other kerfuffles take their place. I went back and read what I had written last June, regarding Obama’s first six months in office. I didn’t remember most of that stuff, even though it was pretty major.
I gave up trying to keep track after 6 months, but you might want to check how much of it you remember. http://www.veritasbelt.blogspot.com (It’s my sister’s blog but she let me post there last year)
The admonition to keep perspective is well-taken. But especially in the context of all the cram-it-down-our-throats changes that Obama has crammed into his first year in office, I think a lot of people realize that something different is going on now than in past years. What’s going on now, for instance, makes Watergate look like tiny burps.
No, Wong says its extraconstitutional because the Constitution doesn’t define the term. Didn’t someone claim that Wong says there were just two types of citizenship?? What you’re saying now is that Wong actually acknowledges at least three types of citizenship. Sorry to keep spoiling your misunderstandings of Wong, but it’s so fun.
If Stanley wasn’t there, how did Obama get delivered there?
THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS DELIVERED IN HAWAII.
There is a COLB which says he was born in Hawaii. Point being, there is evidence.
A SCAN OF A FORGED DOCUMENT? THAT’S THE ONLY EVIDENCE.
No. There are two. Read the case. Your concerns are easy to answer, but I want you to do something besides holler “gotcha” when you ain’t “got” anyone. Is English a second language for you?
parsy, who wonders
I bet if I put my long colt in your ear you would produce any number of birth certificates, while whistling Hail to the Theif!LOL.
Actually, the DOH and OIP have confirmed that there are supplementary records to support the claims on Obama’s original or amended birth certificate. That means that either the original birth certificate was filed on the basis of affidavits alone (and thus not a hospital birth) or that Obama added or amended items to the birth certificate through separate documents (which also wouldn’t be necessary if it was a hospital birth, a birth attended by a doctor, or an unattended birth followed by a doctor visit within the week).
The DOH confirmed that there are no supplementary documents with a doctor’s, midwife’s, or nurse’s signature.
No matter how you slice it, what the DOH and OIP have confirmed rules out a hospital birth.
Unless the DOH is flat-out lying, which is a distinct possibility. That’s why there needs to be an investigation.
Thanks for all your work. I am certain Obama is sweating this legitimacy issue.
Do you realize, that even if the COLB is a forgery, (which I give about a one chance in 42.3518 tetraquadrillion to the power 84.) that the COLB is MORE EVIDENCE than any birther has presented?
That’s right. That one piece of paper is more evidence that any birther has presented to date to the best of my knowledge. And, I think I am right because I have begged and pleaded for some birther to present some logically formatted presentation of the birther claims without result.
parsy, who heard a rumor about thebirthers and moon-landing deniers were merging, but personally doubts
You already admitted there are three or more through Wong. Extraconsitutional natural born citizenship. 14th amendment native citizenship. Naturalization. And now we have this so-called statutory natural born citizenship. C’mon faithers. Pick a story and stick to it.
And parsy, just admit you’re wrong, you don’t understand Wong or much else, but it’s nothing to be ashamed of. And on this ‘gotcha’ obsession and ‘English’ comment? Are you preferring to be pwned in a different language?? No problemo.
I think he knows he wasn’t born in Hawaii. That’s why he told Race Bannon in the summer of 1980 that he was born in Mombasa.
And that's exactly why both the Nelson and Nordyke stories were fabrications...both articles removed from their original source btw.
One is less than many, but then your twisted logic explains why you keep ending up on the wrong side of the arguments.
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