DOBBS: That is the nature of things. All right, thank you very much, Lisa Sylvester. The nation's poorest borders have given rise to a host of problems for border states and beyond. Joining me now, the author of the California law that would have given driver's license to illegal aliens. which was overturned in California this month. We're joined now by Democratic State Senator Gil Cedillo. Also joined by Republican State Senator Tom McClintock, who says licenses for illegals would dangerously undermine law enforcement. Joining us tonight appropriately enough from the state capital, Sacramento. Gentlemen, good to have you with...