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Do your own google searches on the subject and try to educate yourself. I can't do it for you.

All women are not victims, but this one was. Moreover I am not a newbie on FR or a troll of any sort. I am simply somebody who generally makes the effort to understand what is going on in the world and it sometimes happens that what is actually happening and what you read in the media are separate realities, as we all know in the political arena; it's astounding that anybody on FR would have so difficult a time believing that the same thing happens in other areas of life.

If Robert Hare and others are correct and psychopaths have different EEG signatures from normal people, then it might actually make sense to devise some sort of foolproof test for it and brand these people with a capital 'P' on their foreheads or something like that when they're five or six years old so the rest of us can have an easy time avoiding them.

In the case of Paul Bernardo, the total price tag for having one psychopath being unrecognizable comes to a couple of dozen brutally raped women, at least three dead bodies and probably more like five or six, one totally innocent guy (Baltovich) spending eight or nine years in prison for one of Bernardo's murders and still facing a second trial without anybody saying word one about questioning Bernardo on the matter, and a woman just now getting out of prison after twelve years for her part in this whole mess which almost certainly involved brainwashing or something entirely similar to that.

That's too high a price for to pay for whatever political correctness might arise from having defective people walking around unmarked and undifferentiated.

The best predictive idea of the causes of war and terrorism in the modern world is probably Gunnar Heinsohn's "youth bulge" thesis.

Looks like it says "Clipper" on it.

Seems like the anglophone part of Canada isn't the whole story...

MONTREAL (CP) - Karla Homolka's calculated appeal to French Canada appeared to hit her target audience Tuesday, with many francophone Montrealers ready to give the sex killer a second chance in her adopted province.

Homolka may be one of the most despised figures in Ontario and the rest of English Canada, but many Quebecers say they see a repentant woman who is clearly haunted by her crimes.

The ex-convict went on Radio-Canada on Monday with a French-only plea for the breathing room to start a normal life a few hours after completing her entire 12-year sentence for manslaughter. .....

...The Quebec press council denounced English media coverage of Homolka's release, particularly the desire of some news organizations to follow Homolka. The council said it demonstrated ethical differences between Ontario and Quebec news organizations...

I mean, the American media is messed up enough, but I never saw the American media try to kill anybody or get anybody killed for no rational reason.

>...diabolical eyes...

At the time that picture was taken the woman had been using food to flavor her valium with just in order to function. That WILL produce a glazed look in somebody's eyes...

We've either got to change the system or watch other societies and cultures bury us.

The one other story I know of which is comparable is that of Patty Hearst. Some of Hearst's commentary on the Elizabeth Smart case are worth noting:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/03/13/life.after.kidnapping/

"There's no question at the time of the abduction she was in fear, and was fearful for a period of time," said Salt Lake City Police Chief Rick Dinse.

He also said the fact that she was walking around with the couple in an area where she might have been able to escape indicted that they had some sort of psychological control over her.

Patricia Hearst Shaw understands what that is like. She was a college student when she was kidnapped from her apartment in 1974, imprisoned in a closet, sexually assaulted and forced to participate in a bank robbery before being freed.

"You have been so abused and so robbed of your free will and so frightened that you come to a point that you believe any lie that your abductor has told you. You don't feel safe. You think that either you will be killed if you reach out for help, or you believe your family will be killed," said Hearst.

"You've, in a way, given up, you've absorbed the new identity they've given you. You're surviving -- you're not even doing that � you're just living while everything else is going on around you," she said.

Hearst said that for some time after Elizabeth is back with her family she may still believe "her kidnappers have some sort control over her."

Hearst said she didn't feel free until she faced her abductors in court and "knew for sure that they could never, ever hurt me again."

Elizabeth's father, Ed Smart, also believes his daughter was brainwashed. He and his family have not pressed her for details to spare her further trauma.

The Patty Hearst conviction struck me as a flagrant miscarriage of justice at the time, so much so that had I been the judge I'd have set the jury verdict aside without a second's hesitation. You had a case in which a very naiive 20-year old girl had been subjected to techniques which broke down trained soldiers in the Korean war and the criteria of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt was clearly not met.

The cases of Homolka and Smart are entirely similar. They walk around entraped in whatever it is ignoring obvious chances to escape, and this is incomprehensible to most people but, at some point, the control had become internalized.

Homolka's words on her interview last night tell much of the story:

Napier: You said a few minutes ago that you will always have to live with what you did. Do you feel any remorse?

Homolka: Yes.

Napier: How does it manifest itself, that remorse?

Homolka: I cry often. I can't forgive myself. I think about what I did and often I think I don't deserve to be happy because of what I did.

Napier: How do you judge now what you did? When you think about it, how do you judge yourself?

Homolka: What I did was terrible and I was in a situation where I was unable to see clearly, where I was unable to ask for help. Where I was completely overwhelmed in my life and I regret it enormously because now I know I had the power to stop all of that. But when I was living through it, I thought I had no power.

I'm not going to keep on repeating the same stuff. I've posted links to real information on this story. This is a case of a brainwashed girl and a national hate fest promulgated by an out of control media seemingly intent on killing or causing the death of a defenseless woman.

Really? How do you manipulate an older sister into allowing a younger sister to be raped?

Constant beatings, fear, terror, psychological control techniques, brainwashing (induced post traumatic stress disorder)..... Why?

The basic, simple, biological reality is that women need to be having children when they're 18 - 25 and not when they're 30-45, and they need to be able to do that without having to marry men who are ten years older than they are. If our society is going to survive, that has to become possible again. What we're doing now clearly does not work.

Pretty hard to tell a psychopath by looking at him, isn't it. The hell of it is that Bernardo now looks like something from a horror film, so apparently the mask falls off after a while.

Robert Hare (Without Conscience) says that psychopaths leave trails of destruction and ruined and shattered lives in their wake. In this guys (Bernardo's) case, you've got a couple dozen rape victims, at least three and probvably more like a half dozen dead bodies, one guy (Baltovich) having sat in prison for nearly a decade for something he clearly knows nothing about, and this 35 yerar old just now getting out of slam after 12 years for things she most likely did while brainwashed.

Hare says that psychopaths are born and not made, that there's no cure, that it's real obvious at a very early age, and that virtually all parents of psychopathic children would be happy to hand them over to government agencies to be put on some island at age six or eight.

Looking at the carnage from this particular story, I'd just about be happy to see psychopaths brand with a capital P on their foreheads at age ten so that the rest of can have an easier time avoiding them.

Karla Homolka didn't have to show anybody what she now looks like. I seriously doubt any more than one out of a thousand people would have recognized her from earlier pictures or memories. That would be using age as a disguise the same way Carlos Hathcock spoke of using distance as a silencer (for sniper rifles).

The interview sounds to me like a straight up attempt to level with the Canadian people.

The thing which I find disgusting about this one is that freepers are usually the world's best at seeing and reading through media bullshit. Nonetheless a number of them seem to be perfectly happy with swallowing the Toronto Sun's version of this thing, which is garbage.

>Is there any guarantee Bernardo will never get out of prison?

There are no guarantees in this life. An earthquake or asteroid impact could level the prison leaving a clear path out for Bernardo.

Paul Bernardo should be burned at the stake on general principles. Homolka on the other hand is mainly another victim.

Seems to be another one of these cases in which the real story and what you read in the media are two different worlds.

One of the few sources for real info on this story.

I take it a number of the people posting on this topic think the Canadian mainstream media is accurate and truthful, despite what we know about our own meainstream media. What about Santa Claus and the Easter Rabbit? Are they real too?

As far as skipping classes, my dad and mom expected me to have my butt in classes and to make sure that I learned something no matter how boring it was. I did have a few BORING teachers, but I WAS there.

I'll never forget the day (I was a junior in highschool at the time) I had a 103 degree fever and some idiot from my highschool calls up asking my whereabouts. I explained the situation, and the lady said she wanted to talk to one of my parents. I was totally enraged. I told the lady that both of my parents had honest jobs (unlike herself) which required their presence on worksites and that if SHE would like to have a 103 degree fever she could come over and we'd make passionate love, and she'd probably get one. It's only idiots that you have to talk to like that.

Sounds like a case of slavery to me...

Those videos were all clearly scripted and two of the three jurors who were ever interviewed after the trial felt that Homolka was being manipulated.

The entire picture the media paints of this story, as it pertains to Homolka, appears to be a bunch of BS.

I don't believe that it's possible to brainwash a decent human being into raping and murdering their own little sister.

There is no OTHER theory of behavior which explains that one.