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Where is the arrest of these cops by “good cops”?? Huh? Where???

Excuse me, but that's a little bit like expecting "good Muslims" to engage and stop the murder, detonative savagery and rape committed by their "extremist" cousins.

Both approaches of hoping for self-policing are really expecting the enemy to lose to you on purpose.

I expect you know this, and I am not lecturing - merely adding $.02 to the mix.

Chilling read on how these asshole cops acted.

I read the linked decision from the court. I think their behavior is crass, abusive, disgusting, unlawful, and a liability to their department and society.

And criminal.

Bump to zot.

Yeah, I'd second that.

do you turn faggot when you see a cop?

Nasty of you. This topic chap your hide, buddy?

How darling.

The increasingly confrontational behavior of contemporary police is not helping matters.

Correct. It is disgusting.

The shaved head, tactical/tacticool gear, and steroided approach isn't beneficial, either.

I agree. They seem to continuously forget that regardless of their training and tactics and equipment and attitude and budgets and military vehicles... that they are not prepared to operate on an even-force basis.

I expect that even a rudimentarily trained insurgent unit of domestic patriots, having preplanned to a limited degree, would have a turkey shoot on any SWAT unit that showed up to a manufactured situation.

While I remain a supporter of L.E. in general, rarely do I find myself saying, "Gee, there is a police officer in my rear view mirror. Boy, do I feel safer with him driving nearby."

Hell, I don't think a single American has felt that for a very, very long time.

I would suspect that the fraction of all Americans who view law enforcement in their rear view mirror as an active danger and oppressive threat is very close to 1.

Actually it's been covered rather thoroughly in the local news.

Are you local to the story?

Ping.

Disgusting.

This better?



No offense is intended, and I appreciate your sentiment, but I don't share it. The patches in question are rather common and I don't question the patriotism of the veterans I see displaying it.

"Do you have to be an ass every day?" JimRob

You know, an FLHR doing 30mph at midnight has been proven to cure this problem...

Respect to those deserving,


- Asskiller

From what I have seen, this appears to be a standard approach in many cases - when the State's case is weak, throw everything at the defendant and bulldoze him (or his court-appointed attorney advises) into pleading guilty to the lesser charge, even if he is innocent.

Correct.

you notice how infrequently the biker bots comment on evidence as opposed to the 'travesty of justice' and 'loss of freedoms', etc.?

Same damn think those pesky treasonous criminals did to His Majesty's officers when confronted with evidence of their malevolent sedition.

Such irritating nonsense. A bother and an annoyance, and quite simply to be ignored.

Until they start shooting tyrants in the head, of course.

Right?

I would use the adjectives disgusting and infuriating. And I got more.

How about casus belli and seditio vincit thronum as a start?

I’d add another thought. Don’t worry so much about patches. Pay more attention to tattoos.

No. He wore the patch to communicate to other members of the group he rode to T.P. with that day such as Bandido President David Martinez. Would he take the chance to wear on his person, some symbolism, that could be misinterpreted by so “esteemed a Person” in his biker circle? NO.

You're overdramatizing the matter. It's a patch. As others have noted, it's more or less a companion patch to another. The analogy of a Confederate flag is a very good one. It means, probably, that the guy's Southern. Or just maybe, likes the Southern culture. Or the Dukes of Hazzard. Or even just likes to piss off the politically correct.

But very, very unlikely that he is a Civil War reenactor with responsibility for replica musket and cannon logistics, right? Although your actual reenactor will probably bear the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (there, threw that in for the purists) on his gear too.

He knew what he was wearing and what other bikers would take it to mean. If he wore the 13 patch because he really meant it to mean something like “the Mystery of the Missing 13th floor” he could have been not only misunderstood by the serious bikers whose company he esteemed, but beaten into a bloody pulp.

More overdrama. That is not how it works.

He did not have a metonymous meaning in mind.

A number patch is, by definition, metonymous.

No, it was not the Mystery of the Missing 13th floor.

Funny...

It meant what Bandidos in Texas take it to mean, nothing more, nothing less.

Agree, and that meaning is nothing to do with drugs or violence, rather with philosophical outlook. For example, I have a few patches in order on the front of my own vest. One on top of the other.

Consider those patches as arrayed. Are they meant to indicate that I am generously endowed; have a preference for military personnel; and in penetrating their females from behind Or might it simply be that I'm well over two meters tall and weigh more than an eighth of a ton, am married to a remarkably lovely former USAF officer, and I happen to think the flag patch is hot?

Not everything is a secret sign or blatant assault on the good church ladies of TexasGator's neighborhood. Don't read too much into it. In fact, it would probably be safer to assume - at least where a three piece patch club is involved - that patches are pretty standard, and less customized to the individual, than you might think. I am not a member of a club. Consequently, each individual patch I wear is personally selected for opinion or effect or humor or what have you, and arranged similarly according to my own taste.

A club vest, by contrast, is the property of the club and you're not going to see a whole lot of customization on them any more than you'd see such customization on a military uniform.

Similarly, the Bandido or Desgraciados club member is not likely to give the diamond 13 patch a whole lot of thought, any more than an Army officer is going to give a whole lot of thought about the one piece of piping on his uniform v. another part. "It's just part of the uniform."

In this case, it's probably just a standard part of the cut. Don't read lurid things into it. Mundanity, while undramatic, tends to be the rule in life.

What of the contents of the document, the Court filing itself?

Dirty hands.

Filthy, in fact.

Blood-covered, in actuality.

Black with tyranny, if you ask me.

Thank you for the effort in providing the excerpts. The nation would be in better state if more citizens were as dutiful and interested.

In the abstract, it is no different than a redneck boy wearing a Rebel flag.

Well put.

Probably won't overcome the desire of some to interpret it in a lurid, sensationalist, stupid and false manner - but well put nonetheless.

By the way, you sure did put a lot of words in my mouth that I never said or intended. Do you do that to everyone?

No, and I apologize if I was rude. I am multitasking.

I simply don't consider "dumbass" to be grounds for "summarily shot" or "included in mass arrest".

I agree with you. We are no longer the society we once were. The feds continue to trample the rule of law when it suits them and cover up anything and everything they wish to. Then have another fed agent in a black robe rubber stamp it.

We are on the same page there.

Nonetheless bergman is a moron for willingly putting on that cut that tells the entire world “look at me, I run errands for the bandidos and if I am capable I may get asked to put on the big boy patch someday.

That is a personal judgment, not a Constitutional finding. As such, we can support, decry or remain unmoved by his associations but he has every inherent right. And we don't target people for summary death based on the exercise of protected rights.

ALL evidence indicates the bikers did most of the shooting.

False. All evidence does not indicate this. All reason and evidence indicates that law enforcement fired the majority of the rounds, killed the majority of the deceased, and wounded the majority of the injured.

Caps lock, by the way, is not enhancement of argument.