A Voice in Waco

The Aging Rebel ^ | 9/22/2015 | Don Charles Davis

[Robert Teesdale]

A member of the Desgraciados Motorcycle Club named George Bergman appeared at an examining trial last Friday in Waco. Bergman had just arrived at the Twin Peaks restaurant last May 17 and was walking to the Don Carlos restaurant on the other side of the parking lot to use the bathroom there when he heard a gun shot.

He was detained, found to be in possession of two, small, legal knives incarcerated for hours and finally arrested. He spent 20 days in jail before being released on $80,000 bail. He lost his job and continues to suffer from injuries suffered during his incarceration. Last Friday he asked that the charges against him be dismissed because there was no probable cause to believe that he was guilty of participating in organized criminal activity.

A judge named James E. Morgan refused to dismiss the charges so Bergman’s nightmare will continue. But before he left the court he read the following statement into the record.

(snip)

"I then saw one police officer in front of me just shooting wildly toward the crowd at Twin Peaks with a rifle..."

[AMDG&BVMH]

“Numbers are usually metonymous in nature.”

Maybe Bergman would have to look that one up.

No. He wore the patch to communicate to other members of the group he rode to T.P. with that day such as Bandido President David Martinez. Would he take the chance to wear on his person, some symbolism, that could be misinterpreted by so “esteemed a Person” in his biker circle? NO.

He knew what he was wearing and what other bikers would take it to mean. If he wore the 13 patch because he really meant it to mean something like “the Mystery of the Missing 13th floor” he could have been not only misunderstood by the serious bikers whose company he esteemed, but beaten into a bloody pulp.

He did not have a metonymous meaning in mind.

No, it was not the Mystery of the Missing 13th floor.

It meant what Bandidos in Texas take it to mean, nothing more, nothing less.

This is not one-over-the-world speculation or Alice in Wonderland.

[mac_truck]

The autopsies indicated who the killers were?

More like who the killers weren't...

[BlueDragon]

That takes chutzpah.

Yes, she tells you she's an orphan...

after you meet her family

Black Crows
She Talks to Angels

[mad_as_he$$]

No foolish one. The autopsies did not indicate ANY killers or even weapons used. Quit lying.

[mac_truck]

That it signifys what you suggest is simply laughable -

Surtr disagrees...ymmv

[mac_truck]

The reports contain enough information to refute the false notion that the Twin Peaks shootout was a police “massacre”. Even a ‘genius’ like you can’t spin the physics.

[TexasGator]

Seven of the nine idenified bullets were NOT police .223

[TexasGator]

Your experience?

You were caught in a gang shoot-out?

[mad_as_he$$]

So? Where did I say the police or anyone else was the killer? My point is for you MT and boggieman to stop making stuff up. Isn't it true that some bodies have holes and no slugs were found in the body? So all bullets may or not be accounted for therefore it is illogical to make absolute claims about those bodies and who's weapon killed them. Summation stop spewing BS about facts not in evidence and rash absolute claims about who shot whom.

[mad_as_he$$]

Hey #$%678 show me where I ever claimed this was a police massacre. You are factually challenged.

[TexasGator]

Seven of the nine identified bullets were NOT police .233

[mad_as_he$$]

like I said SO? That only proves that THOSE bullets weren’t 223(assuming the BATF actually found their competency a$$ that day).

[TexasGator]

Batf were not at shooting

[Elderberry]

“Batf were not at shooting”

Its my understanding that ATF was present.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/05/bikers_shooting_in_wacos_twin.html

-—In addition to local and state police, the federal Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) was also on the scene, according to its official twitter account.-—

[mac_truck]

Lol...you mad bro?

/kma

[mac_truck]

[TexasGator]

That was AFTER the shooting

[Robert Teesdale]

No. He wore the patch to communicate to other members of the group he rode to T.P. with that day such as Bandido President David Martinez. Would he take the chance to wear on his person, some symbolism, that could be misinterpreted by so “esteemed a Person” in his biker circle? NO.

You're overdramatizing the matter. It's a patch. As others have noted, it's more or less a companion patch to another. The analogy of a Confederate flag is a very good one. It means, probably, that the guy's Southern. Or just maybe, likes the Southern culture. Or the Dukes of Hazzard. Or even just likes to piss off the politically correct.

But very, very unlikely that he is a Civil War reenactor with responsibility for replica musket and cannon logistics, right? Although your actual reenactor will probably bear the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia (there, threw that in for the purists) on his gear too.

He knew what he was wearing and what other bikers would take it to mean. If he wore the 13 patch because he really meant it to mean something like “the Mystery of the Missing 13th floor” he could have been not only misunderstood by the serious bikers whose company he esteemed, but beaten into a bloody pulp.

More overdrama. That is not how it works.

He did not have a metonymous meaning in mind.

A number patch is, by definition, metonymous.

No, it was not the Mystery of the Missing 13th floor.

Funny...

It meant what Bandidos in Texas take it to mean, nothing more, nothing less.

Agree, and that meaning is nothing to do with drugs or violence, rather with philosophical outlook. For example, I have a few patches in order on the front of my own vest. One on top of the other.

Consider those patches as arrayed. Are they meant to indicate that I am generously endowed; have a preference for military personnel; and in penetrating their females from behind Or might it simply be that I'm well over two meters tall and weigh more than an eighth of a ton, am married to a remarkably lovely former USAF officer, and I happen to think the flag patch is hot?

Not everything is a secret sign or blatant assault on the good church ladies of TexasGator's neighborhood. Don't read too much into it. In fact, it would probably be safer to assume - at least where a three piece patch club is involved - that patches are pretty standard, and less customized to the individual, than you might think. I am not a member of a club. Consequently, each individual patch I wear is personally selected for opinion or effect or humor or what have you, and arranged similarly according to my own taste.

A club vest, by contrast, is the property of the club and you're not going to see a whole lot of customization on them any more than you'd see such customization on a military uniform.

Similarly, the Bandido or Desgraciados club member is not likely to give the diamond 13 patch a whole lot of thought, any more than an Army officer is going to give a whole lot of thought about the one piece of piping on his uniform v. another part. "It's just part of the uniform."

In this case, it's probably just a standard part of the cut. Don't read lurid things into it. Mundanity, while undramatic, tends to be the rule in life.

[Robert Teesdale]

I’d add another thought. Don’t worry so much about patches. Pay more attention to tattoos.

[mac_truck]

Seven of the nine identified bullets were NOT police .233

Here's the relevant background thread from the last go round on bullet hole sizes etc. Lots of good information there.

Autopsies Released for Bikers Killed in Twin Peaks Shooting [Waco - with links to reportsd]

-btw you notice how infrequently the biker bots comment on evidence as opposed to the 'travesty of justice' and 'loss of freedoms', etc.?

I posted evidence up thread that directly contradicts Bandido Bergman's protestations that he was on his way to Don Carlos when the shooting started and the only response was some lame attempt to correct me about which gang set he was a member of.