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The Horrors of the Church and Its Holy Inquisition
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Posted on 07/11/2024 7:22:20 AM PDT by patriot torch

The Inquisition was an ecclesiastical court and process of the Roman Catholic Church setup for the purpose towards the discovery and punishment of heresy which wielded immense power and brutality in medieval and early modern times. The Inquisitions function was principally assembled to repress all heretics of rights, depriving them of their estate and assets which became subject to the ownership of the Catholic treasury, with each relentlessly sought to destroy anyone who spoke, or even thought differently to the Catholic Church. This system for close to over six centuries became the legal framework throughout most of Europe that orchestrated one of the most confound religious orders in the course of mankind.

Inquisition Procedure

At root the word Inquisition signifies as little of evil as the primitive "inquire," or the adjective inquisitive, but as words, like persons, lose their characters by bad associations, so "Inquisition" has become infamous and hideous as the name of an executive department of the Roman Catholic Church.

All crimes and all vices are contained in this one word Inquisition. Murder, robbery, arson, outrage, torture, treachery, deceit, hypocrisy, cupidity, holiness. No other word in all languages is so hateful as this one that owes its abhorrent preeminence to its association with the Roman Church.

In the Dark Side of Christian History, Helen Ellerbe describes how the same men who had been both prosecutor and judge decided upon the sentence of heresy. Once an Inquisitor arrived to a heresy-ridden district, a 40 day period of grace was usually allowed to all who wished to confess by recanting their faith.

After this period of grace had finished, the inhabitants were then summoned to appear before the Inquisitor. Citizens accused of heresy would be woken in the dead of night, ordered, if not gagged, and then escorted

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To: wildcard_redneck

The Inquisition was used against anyone not Catholic.

Or anyone suspected of not being Catholic or Catholic enough.

Those groups did not need to be included. Islam could have been dealt without inflicting it on Jews, Christians or other non-Catholics.


41 posted on 07/11/2024 9:00:42 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: wildcard_redneck; patriot torch
Please tell us why you think that Muslims burning down cathedrals in Europe is a good thing. One cathedral in France is burning down right now🔥.

Please reference the post where PT said that.

42 posted on 07/11/2024 9:02:13 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: metmom

The inquisition was mostly about eliminating the constant threat of a restive Muslim population that was endlessly causing trouble, just as it does today. It worked and worked well and Spain and Catholics should feel ZERO guilt about it.

I find it suspicious that newbie “patriot torch” comes up with this post while a cathedral is burning down in France. He is just running defense for mad dog Muslims.


43 posted on 07/11/2024 9:09:14 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: patriot torch

Failure to adhere to the official cult of the state has long been punished by death...even back to pagan times (e.g. Socrates, the early Christians etc.)

When Christianity took over in Europe, this old tenet of Roman law was retained. But note: the STATE was doing the executing...not the Church.

Rulers began to abuse this power and were trumping up charges of heresy for political purposes (Joan of Arc’s execution was a classic example).

The Church then said no way...*you*, King or Duke, do not get to decide who is a heretic or not. That is the Church’s job. So WE will take over the fact-finding part of the case...and then we will issue the state a recommendation: execution, or pardon, or whatever.

That, patriot, is why the Inquisition came from. And it is why the records of the Inquisition end with things like “and he was turned over the secular arm to be burned”. But note it was the secular governments that were doing the burning, not the Church.

Read reputable medieval historians on this. I can recommend Jeffrey Burton Russell in particular.


44 posted on 07/11/2024 9:20:07 AM PDT by Claud
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To: telescope115
That's because "Bernardus Guidonis" is the Latinized version of "Bernardo Gui", which in itself is a variation of "Bernard Gui", who was the Bishop of Lodève and inquisitor in question. It was an intentional use of an actual historical figure.

Ironically, Umberto's characterization of Gui is one of the aspects of his novel that's been generally criticized as an inaccurate caricature of the man in question.

"The external use of The Inquisition in fiction has generally ceased, and it is unlikely that it will return, since the late twentieth century now understands both its own and more remote history more clearly and painfully than it did half a century ago. Utopian fiction now draws upon its own imagination, stimulated by events that make even the old Inquisition pale in comparison. Some of the myth survives in historical fiction, but not very successfully, not even in the deft and mercurial games of a novel like The Name of the Rose, whose inquisitor, identified as the historical figure Bernard Gui, is actually a composite of a myth created several centuries after the fourteenth century period in which the action of the novel is set. The character of Bernard Gui is simply Umberto Eco's tour de force at recreating another Torquemada or Pedro Arbues out of nineteenth-century fiction, and he is neither a cautionary figure for the twentieth century nor a historically accurate reconstruction of any fourteenth-century inquisitor." - Edward Peters, Inquisition, p. 307, published 1988 (The Free Press, New York) [Italics in original, underline is emphasis mine.]

45 posted on 07/11/2024 9:28:21 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: metmom
The Inquisition was used against anyone not Catholic.

Nonsense.

The Inquisition was an ecclesiastical court dealing with the internal workings of the Church. It had zero jurisdiction over Jews and Muslims...unless they were baptized and living as crypto-Jews and crypto-Muslims within the Church. People of other religions were persecuted *by the state.* And actually, those found guilty by the Inquisition were also executed *by the state*.

46 posted on 07/11/2024 9:38:16 AM PDT by Claud
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To: aimhigh

Never said that. However when it’s liberals using the Inquisition to attack the Churches I feel obliged to point out the hypocrisy.


47 posted on 07/11/2024 9:46:59 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: patriot torch

Lenny Brenner wrote a book, “The Democrat Party, the Lesser Evil” which he summarized as, “Vote for us, we are not as bad as the Republicans.”

The defense of the inquisition is similar. “They accuse us of millions of deaths, men, women, children burned at the stake.” “We aren’t anything like that, something like a hundred thousand, maybe a little more. Why are you bothered?”

Cognitive dissonance to the nth power: Okay, it happened. But, we are the TRUE church.
Love for those who hate us, not wasted!


48 posted on 07/11/2024 9:48:32 AM PDT by NorthStarOkie (The Lord is merciful but he is not stupid.)
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To: patriot torch

To wit

The.Museum of Torture, Toledo, Spain


49 posted on 07/11/2024 9:52:41 AM PDT by combat_boots
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To: patriot torch

I didn’t know this until I saw a documentary series on this but the inquisition was still in place in what is now Italy up until the late 1800s.

-SB


50 posted on 07/11/2024 9:55:39 AM PDT by Snowybear (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: patriot torch
Victor Hugo estimated the number of the victims of the Inquisition at five million,

Victor Hugo was a lawyer and a novelist. His "estimate" is the product of no special competence.

Actual historians, like Henry Kamen and Edward Peters, did the historical research to show that Hugo's number was off by about 2 1/2 orders of magnitude. The real number was less than 15,000.

Is "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" still in your Bible?

51 posted on 07/11/2024 9:55:46 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: NorthStarOkie

You’ll know the TRUE church because it members don’t do anything wrong? I don’t recall that from my Bible study.


52 posted on 07/11/2024 9:57:08 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Snowybear

That’s talking about the “Roman Inquisition,” which was later called the “Holy Office,” then the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and now the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith. IOW, it exists today.


53 posted on 07/11/2024 9:58:55 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: NorthStarOkie
The defense of the inquisition is similar. “They accuse us of millions of deaths, men, women, children burned at the stake.” “We aren’t anything like that, something like a hundred thousand, maybe a little more. Why are you bothered?”

Hundred thousand burned? Hah! You wish. The figures I've seen..and based on ACTUAL trial counts mind you... are a few thousand *across Europe over 500 years*. The death penalty was only recommended in 2-3% of cases.

A counting error I can understand and wouldn't quibble about...but when you folks start breathlessly concocting genocides several orders of magnitude beyond what historically happened, yeah, you're darn right we are going to call you on your BS.

You all don't seem to understand that your disinterest in and utter incompetence with the medieval sources means you are subject to being bamboozled and led by the nose by the worst 19th century polemicists.

Read more, get informed, and then come back and we have a decent conversation about it.

54 posted on 07/11/2024 10:02:18 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Campion

Victor Hugo, eh? Sheesh.


55 posted on 07/11/2024 10:05:27 AM PDT by Claud
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To: fidelis

Quote:

“There is no difference. Sin is sin”

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Well then, there ya go! That should justify the atrocities of a religion which claims after all they’re just doing the Lord’s work. I mean it’s not, you know like a “cardinal” sin after all. (whatever that is)

But if anyone commits a serious sin, let us know eh?


56 posted on 07/11/2024 10:17:00 AM PDT by patriot torch (..)
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To: Claud
As seen earlier in the thread (see reply #18), pointing out the historical errors of the sources cited (even if they're anti-Christian in general, not just anti-Catholic) is blithely called "attacking the messenger", as though that's all it takes to make a rebuttal.

Actual accuracy (much less truth) is not the point, so long as it attacks anything vaguely affiliated with 'popery'.

57 posted on 07/11/2024 10:21:12 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: metmom

Quote:

Working both ends against the middle.

How can they justify something they deny happened?

If they try to justify it, it’s a tacit admission that it happened, therefore they can’t then logically deny it.

/\ /\ /\ THAT /\ /\ /\


58 posted on 07/11/2024 10:49:13 AM PDT by patriot torch (..)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Quote:

You can deny falsehoods and myths ABOUT a historical event (or a historical institution) without denying the existence of said event or institution.

_______________________

Yeah, that’s it. Kinda like the kids with cookie crumbs on his face who denies to his mother that he was in the cookie jar.


59 posted on 07/11/2024 10:51:46 AM PDT by patriot torch (..)
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To: Antoninus

riggghhhtt, just like all those altar boys were liars! But I digress


60 posted on 07/11/2024 10:54:56 AM PDT by patriot torch (..)
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