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[Catholic Caucus] The total failure of Traditionis Custodes to suppress the Latin Mass
Catholic Conclave ^ | June 15, 2023 | Catholic Conclave

Posted on 06/16/2023 12:02:51 PM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] The total failure of Traditionis Custodes to suppress the Latin Mass

The faithful from whom Archbishop Aupetit has taken away their traditional Masses - at Saint Georges de la Villette, Notre Dame du Travail and elsewhere, communicate:

"Traditionis custodes has failed. The traditional Mass will not disappear; on the contrary, it will continue to spread, especially among young people. We need to look back at the astonishing awareness of this issue revealed by the reactions of the official Catholic media on the occasion of the last Pentecost pilgrimage organised by ND de Chrétienté.

On 6 June 2023, Élisabeth Geffroy wrote in La Nef that the pilgrimage's liturgical specificity had been shattered (Pèlerinage de Chartres : une polémique dépassée ? - La Nef).

Let's take a look instead at what another contributor to La Nef, Jean Bernard, had to say in an article in La Croix on 6 June, "Le pèlerinage de Chartres est devenu le symbole d'un mouvement de fond" (The Chartres pilgrimage has become the symbol of a fundamental movement): the attempt by Traditionis custodes to take back what had been granted by Summorum Pontificum, and which had allowed a new progression in the traditional liturgy, has failed.

Jean Bernard writes: "The question is therefore no longer whether and when the traditional Mass will be definitively replaced by the 1969 missal. As the results of the survey commissioned by La Croix on the attitudes of young Catholics in France clearly confirm, not only will the traditional Mass not disappear, but there is every reason to believe that it will continue to grow, not only in absolute terms but above all in relative terms, given the gradual attrition of a number of ordinary-rite parishes.

The main thrust of Traditionis custodes was to isolate the traditional faithful from the parishes, and they became, as is logical, even more unmanageable since they were refused management.

What's more, this policy has led to a further drop in the number of people entering the seminaries (and, we forget to mention, in the income from the state contribution to parish upkeep) and has, on the contrary, led to greater recruitment in all the traditional communities.

Jean Bernard concludes: "It is therefore urgent, contrary to the approach adopted by Rome, to bring the traditional Mass back into the bosom of the dioceses and to allow it to be celebrated once again by diocesan priests, in conjunction with priests from traditionalist institutes". This freedom will give rise to a new explosion of traditional celebrations, which will respond to the wish of a significant proportion of the faithful in ordinary parishes, a wish continually revealed by a string of Paix Liturgique polls.

We will not cease to repeat that the main argument in favour of this freedom, which will necessarily be imposed, is that the reform of Paul VI radically overturned the Roman rite, which leaves intact the rights of what it sought to destroy, insofar as it created, as Joseph Ratzinger wrote in My Life, "a new edifice".

It is becoming clear today that this reconstruction has emptied the Roman liturgy of its substance, and in so doing has contributed to emptying the churches of their parishioners. Attempts to compensate for the inadequacies of the Paul VI Mass, such as that made by Abbé Jean-Baptiste Nadler, a priest in the Diocese of Vannes and member of the Emmanuel community, in his book L'esprit de la messe de Paul VI (Artège, 2023), which is very sympathetic insofar as it prepares the "ordinary" faithful for a return to truly traditional forms, show that this movement is inevitable.

The traditional Mass will not disappear and will regain its full freedom.

We continue to say these Rosaries "for freedom", every Wednesday at 5pm at Saint-Georges de La Villette, every Sunday at 6.15pm in front of Notre-Dame du Travail, and every working day, from Monday to Friday, in front of the offices of the diocesan administration, 10 rue du Cloître-Notre-Dame, from 1pm to 1.30pm″.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: antipope; apostatepope; dictatorpope; tlm

1 posted on 06/16/2023 12:02:51 PM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 06/16/2023 12:03:34 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

Well, it is suppressed for the Institute of Christ the King in Chicago, and for a lot of folks in northern Virginia and DC.


3 posted on 06/16/2023 12:05:40 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: Dr. Sivana

Well, it may force some of the folks in northern VA and DC out to the SSPX in upper Marlboro, MD; and I don’t think Gregory and Bergoglio even thought of that.


4 posted on 06/16/2023 12:11:31 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

I think Bergoglio is okay with folks going to the SSPX, and out of the pipeline of internal institutional influence. Then, the lifting of faculties can take place at any time, in order to sow more frustration and confusion.


5 posted on 06/16/2023 12:14:00 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: ebb tide

I was surprised there are Roman Catholic Daily Missals from 1962 widely available. It has English/Latin liturgy side by side. Vatican 2 brought an end to the Latin Mass, so Missals are all printed in English now.


6 posted on 06/16/2023 12:21:59 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91. )
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To: Dr. Sivana
And for the folks in Chicago, here's some recent good news:

New TLM Retreat Center in the U.S.

The town of Burlington is conveniently located one hour north of Chicago O'Hare airport and 30 minutes south of Milwaukee, and is thus within a day's drive of all our apostolates in the central United States.

7 posted on 06/16/2023 12:37:41 PM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

The pope and the fbi both tried to stop it. Maybe they should admit there’s a force bigger than them and give up trying to stop it.


8 posted on 06/16/2023 12:41:57 PM PDT by I want the USA back (A man is not a woman. A woman is not a man. There is no in-between or undefined middle. )
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To: Dr. Sivana
Some of those complaints are far less relevant today than they would have been 100 years ago.

You can stand in the middle of Chicago or Washington D.C., and there must be at least a half-dozen places within a two-hour drive where you can attend a Tridentine Mass.

It's pathetic and unfortunate, but money will ultimately talk here. The TLM will be brought back to these places when the bishops need the money from these parishioners. I was really surprised to see the financial report of the regular weekly collections at my own nearby TLM parish.

9 posted on 06/16/2023 12:48:17 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: Alberta's Child

A lot of folks in Chicago don’t have a car. I certainly didn’t when I lived there.

Two hours each way for large families with young children is possible, but is not trivial. It also means that you cannot be involved with normal church activities on a regular basis.


10 posted on 06/16/2023 12:57:02 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: Dr. Sivana
This Church was built by martyrs. Traveling two hours to Mass sure seems trivial in comparison, doesn’t it?

And I know the people in these TLM communities are dedicated enough to organize carpools to bring fellow faithful who don’t have cars to Mass with them.

11 posted on 06/16/2023 1:01:45 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: Alberta's Child

I have done it, cramming 5 people in a tiny Ford Contour with no AC in 100 degrees for a 110 mile drive from Columbus to Mableton, GA. While it is trivial compared to the martyrs, it was NOT conducive to instilling piety in my growing children, or for my wife’s health, as certain conditions she has were worsened by the trivial drive. It is better than the early 80s but that’s not saying much. We are one mile away now. We moved for that when I could. This is better.


12 posted on 06/16/2023 1:14:50 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: ebb tide
I don’t think Gregory and Bergoglio even thought of that.

Oh, Bergoglio has definitely thought about it. In fact he has explicitly stated that he has no problem with some more schism.

I suspect though, that he is perturbed by the increase in TLM attendance compared to the decrease in novus ordo attendance in the wake of the scamdemic.

13 posted on 06/16/2023 1:31:01 PM PDT by rhinohunter (“Being woke means you’re a loser” — Donald J. Trump)
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To: Alberta's Child

From what I hear, if there’s a vibrant TLM parish in the diocese, it’s not unusual for said parish to lead not only in Sunday collections but also in the bishop’s annual appeal


14 posted on 06/16/2023 2:05:00 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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