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Jews and Arabs Descended from Canaanites
Bible archaeology society ^ | 10 June 202p | Jonathan Laden

Posted on 06/19/2021 12:40:25 PM PDT by Cronos

After examining the DNA of 93 bodies recovered from archaeological sites around the southern Levant, the land of Canaan in the Bible, researchers have concluded that modern populations of the region are descendants of the ancient Canaanites. Most modern Jewish groups and the Arabic-speaking groups from the region show at least half of their ancestry as Canaanite.

In the study, published in Cell, the researchers explain that they used existing DNA analysis of 20 individuals, from sites in Israel and Lebanon, and then added 73 more, taking DNA from the bones of individuals found at Tel Megiddo, Tel Abel Beth Maacah and Tel Hazor (Northern Israel), Yehud (central Israel) and Baq’ah (central Jordan). By first eliminating individuals closely related to other individuals in the sample, then comparing the remaining 62 DNA samples against a dataset of 1,663 modern individuals, they were able to establish the genetic link to the modern populations. The ethnic groups either still living where Canaan once dominated, or from that area prior to moving elsewhere, are largely descended from the Canaanites.

Canaanite culture was dominant in the Southern Levant during the Bronze Age (3,500-1,200 B.C.E.) As Iron Age I began, the Canaanite city-states faded. The Israelites self-identified as a separate group. As Volkmar Fritz speculates in Israelites and Canaanites, the Israelites may have formed distinct living arrangements, establishing small villages on peripheral land not previously settled and living mostly in four-room houses. Ultimately, the Israelites formed the states of Israel and Judah, while other biblical states, Ammon, Moab, Aram-Damascus, and Phoenician city-states, emerged. Today, the region consists of Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, the Palestinian Authority, and southwest Syria.

The study in Cell not only establishes that the ancient Israelites were descended from the Canaanites, but also establishes that the Canaanite people across the separate city-states of the southern


TOPICS: General Discusssion; History
KEYWORDS: ancientautopsies; canaan; canaanite; canaanites; dna; genealogy; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; lebanon; phoenicia; phoenicians
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To: jjotto

Canaanites were and are also Semites and also spoke various Semitic languages related to Hebrew


21 posted on 06/19/2021 8:04:49 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: jjotto

Ashkenazi Jews may have less than 1% descent from Khazars. Remember that the khazer elites converted to Judaism. They were never large in number


22 posted on 06/19/2021 8:06:14 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

Objective facts are a fussy thing sometimes. I support the many Christians within the borders of Iran. Many fighting the hard fight to spread Christianity. Not the government of Iran. But now we are speaking heresy and blaspheme because we are supposed to ignore reality and consider all of them evil and to be destroyed.

Thank you for the sensible and rational reply.


23 posted on 06/19/2021 8:15:25 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The kingdom of Israel was founded around 1050 BC hence the 1000 year kingdom of david.

The first attestation of Israel is 1300 BC,


24 posted on 06/19/2021 8:16:30 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos
The kingdom of Israel was founded around 1050 BC hence the 1000 year kingdom of david.

No.

The Kingdom of Israel was founded around 1350 BC with King Saul. Maybe a little earlier but no later.

The first attestation of Israel is 1300 BC,

Maybe. Remember that what people call themselves is not what others may call them.

25 posted on 06/19/2021 8:48:04 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. (I'm not interested in your dopey religious cult.))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Saul’s reign according to the Bible and the Jewish traditionally placed in the late 11th century BC ie 1070 BC. Not earlier.

No one gives the date of 1350 for Saul’s reign. Furnish where you got that date, please


26 posted on 06/19/2021 9:17:37 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos
The Amarna letters (1346-1332 BC more or less) include a couple letters from King Saul.

So 1350 BC or a bit earlier fits.

27 posted on 06/19/2021 9:37:24 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. (I'm not interested in your dopey religious cult.))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Saul is not mentioned in the amarna letters. Mentioned is Labayu, who was active over the whole length of Samaria and slightly beyond, as he gave land to Habiru in the vicinity of Šakmu (Shechem) and he and his sons threatened such powerful towns as Jerusalem and Gazru (Gezer) to the south, and Megiddo to the north.

Labayas letter to the pharaoh is proof that he wasn’t Saul

To the king, my lord and my Sun: Thus Lab’ayu, your servant and the dirt on which you tread. I fall at the feet of the king, my lord and my Sun, 7 times and 7 times. I have obeyed the orders that the king wrote to me. Who am I that the king should lose his land on account of me? The fact is that I am a loyal servant of the king! I am not a rebel and I am not delinquent in duty. I have not held back my payments of tribute; I have not held back anything requested by my commissioner. He denounces me unjustly, but the king, my Lord, does not examine my (alleged) act of rebellion. Moreover, my act of rebellion is this: when I entered Gazru-(Gezer), I kept on saying, “Everything of mine the king takes, but where is what belongs to Milkilu? “ I know the actions of Milkilu against me! Moreover, the king wrote for my son. I did not know that my son was consorting with the ‘Apiru. I hereby hand him over to Addaya-(commissioner). Moreover, how, if the king wrote for my wife, how could I hold her back? How, if the king wrote to me, “Put a bronze dagger into your heart and die”, how could I not execute the order of the king?


28 posted on 06/20/2021 3:54:07 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Other Canaanite rulers, such as Abdi-Heba of Jerusalem, complained of Labaya’s depredations (e.g. EA 289)[2] but note that in later years, Abdi-Heba would himself be referred to as “another Labaya” in EA 280.[3] Labaya was accused of capturing cities that were under Egyptian protection. Biridiya, the king of Megiddo, accused him of besieging his city:

Say to the king-(pharaoh), my lord and my Sun: Message of Biridiya, the loyal servant of the king, I fall at the feet of the king, my lord and my Sun, 7 times and 7 times. May the king, my lord, know that since the return (to Egypt) of the [Egyptian]-archers, Lab’ayu has waged war against me. We are thus unable to do the plucking: Ka-Zi-ra (harvesting), and we are unable to get out of the city gate, because of Lab’ayu. When he learned that archers were not coming out, he immediately determined to take Magidda. May the king save his city lest Lab’ayu seize it. Look, the city is consumed by pestilence, by.... ...So may the king give a garrison of 100 men to guard his city lest Lab’ayu seize it. Look, Lab’ayu has no other purpose. He seeks simply the seizure of Maggida.


29 posted on 06/20/2021 4:46:50 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos
That is him.

But the biggest bit of evidence that Saul, David and Akhenaten were contemporaries is Great Hymn to the Aten and Psalm 104.

The 1050 date means that David lifted the Psalm from an obscure Egyptian Pharaoh who's life and works had been wiped from official records 300 years before or it was done by someone 800 years later and ascribed to David.

Problem is, that theory makes no sense.

It was not like Akhenaten's reforms survived his death for very long. So the Great Hymn to the Aten would not have been well known at all, certainly not enough to have been used almost unchanged 300 years later in another country. We will not even go into the 800 year date as it is silly.

But if they (Saul, David and Akhenaten) were contemporaries then it fits beautifully. David wrote it and Akhenaten borrowed it or vise versa.

30 posted on 06/20/2021 8:38:57 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. (I'm not interested in your dopey religious cult.))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

But that’s not Saul — that’s Abdi-Heba of Jerusalem.

Abdi-Heba (Abdi-Kheba, Abdi-Hepat, or Abdi-Hebat) was a local chieftain of Jerusalem during the Amarna period (mid-1330s BC). Abdi-Heba’s name can be translated as “servant of Hebat”, a Hurrian goddess. Whether Abdi-Heba was himself of Hurrian descent is unknown, as is the relationship between the general populace of pre-Israelite Jerusalem (called Jebusites in the Bible) and the Hurrians. Egyptian documents have him deny he was a mayor (ḫazānu) and assert he is a soldier (we’w), the implication being he was the son of a local chief sent to Egypt to receive military training there

According to the Bible, the Israelite history of the city began in c. 1000 BCE, with King David’s sack of Jerusalem, following which Jerusalem became the City of David and capital of the United Kingdom of Israel.

And the text of Labaya’s letter is definitely not what an Israelite would write to the Egyptian pharaoh


31 posted on 06/21/2021 12:37:39 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

Labaya is not Abdi-Heba, you are right there.


32 posted on 06/21/2021 12:52:54 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. (I'm not interested in your dopey religious cult.))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Regarding the Great Hymn to the Aten — that’s a good point, however I really don’t see any similarity to Psalmn 104 except in style - and that’s a fairly common Middle-EAstern bronze age style - look at the Lamentations of the Peasant vs Job.

I don’t think David lifted anything — the style as I point out, was common.

And Akhenaten was NOT obscure - he had a massive impact on Egypt and the near east. His son Tutankaten i.e. Tutankhamun was obscure but not his daddy. Akhenaten’s changes - I’m not going to call them “reforms” as they weren’t re-forming anything but changing them utterly - his changes were earth shattering and changed the New Kingdom religious landscape


33 posted on 06/21/2021 12:55:50 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Labaya wasn’t/isn’t Saul either - read the text of the letter by Labaya. That’s doesn’t fit Saul or Israel’s profile at the time as per the Biblical books


34 posted on 06/21/2021 12:56:39 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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35 posted on 06/29/2021 5:58:22 AM PDT by SJackson (blow in a dog’s face he gets mad, on a car ride he sticks his head out the window)
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To: SJackson

what a completely false premise. . .


36 posted on 06/29/2021 6:29:16 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for )
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To: Cronos

It makes sense that there would be some inclusion of Canaanite DNA, because of how many times Israel was unfaithful and became involved in surrounding nations to join them.


37 posted on 06/29/2021 8:54:13 AM PDT by Jonty30 (Just because I coughed on you does not mean that I have covid. It means that we have covid. )
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To: Jonty30

The thing is that it is not “some”.

The two populations are essentially sister populations.

The languages were sister languages


38 posted on 06/30/2021 12:39:38 AM PDT by Cronos ( )
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To: Cronos

“Most Iranians don’t want war with Israel and don’t see any relevance of Israel to their situation.”

If you know this from first hand knowledge of Iranians living in Iran, highly suggest you pass them the message that they should continue sabotaging the Iranian nuke facilities, and promptly move on to crushing the IRG and the mullahcracy, before those scumbags try to launch on Israel and wind up getting Tehran turned into a glass parking lot for their efforts.


39 posted on 06/30/2021 1:49:17 PM PDT by BTerclinger (MAGA! (See my FR page for links to MDs & RX for pre-hospital Covid treatment & prophylaxis).)
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To: BTerclinger

They have been trying, but the mullahs are crushing them. It’s like criticizing the USA for Biden and the Democrats


40 posted on 06/30/2021 6:34:25 PM PDT by Cronos ( )
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