What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

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What Is Better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis: “Both of Them Together”

The Youth Pastoral Office of Magdeburg diocese, Germany, will organize an October 2020 “ecumenical pilgrimage” for young people to Rome.

The motto of the journey is “With Luther to the Pope”. A similar trip was already taken in 2016.

The pilgrimage is co-organized by the regional Protestant State church, although the Protestants repudiate pilgrimages.

On the trip's webpage Mit-Luther-zum-Papst.de, the tour operator, Hans Höffmann, remembers what Pope Francis said to the participants of the 2016 pilgrimage when asked by a youngster: "What is better, Catholic or Protestant? Francis answered in German: "Both of them together!”

Martin Luther attended school in Magdeburg as a boy. As a preacher, he led the city to defect from the Church. Magdeburg became the first major city to publish Luther’s writings.

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What about those who persist in typing in ALL CAPS?

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+1

[ealgeone]

The NASB renders quotes from the OT in caps.

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That's fascinating. A lot of the explanation, agrees with conclusions I had already reached independently on my own, even while still a dratted Prottie.

(I'd been thinking of Charismatic / Pentecostal prophecies and revelations and such. I was VERY surprised, when, after becoming a Catholic, I found very similar language and sentiments in the writings of many of the saints and mystics, as far as obedience to the Holy Spirit, and Jesus speaking directly to the individual, and so on and so forth.)

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So do lots of foaming at the mouth types: with boldface in different colours.

Sometimes they even do it with respect to a phrase in common, so you can guess why.

Other times it's like a TV commercial for a pickup truck.

[ealgeone]

So do lots of foaming at the mouth types: with boldface in different colours.

You continue to bring nothing to the conversation.

I've noticed this with a great number of the RCs on these threads.

It's very often a personal attack and/or profanity when they either don't understand the argument or the argument goes against them....which is often.

The theological understanding of the typical RCs I've encountered on these threads is very shallow. Most seem to have a very limited working knowledge of Scripture let alone what their denomination actually espouses. About all they can do is copy/paste from some RC apologetic site.

Very little is offered by most RCs in these threads.

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Heh. You’re trolling.

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Nope. Making observations.

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Making observations.

False observations.

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>>Making observations.<<

False observations.

My observations are based on facts.

Not falsehoods like that scapular weighing Roman Catholics down.

[MHGinTN]

A dead spirit cannot discern spiritual things ...

[Elsie]

Yea!

Another lurkerless thread.

Tata!!!

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What I *disagree* with, is that any teachings of men afterwards, must *necessarily* be wrong.

And that is NOT something I believe/espouse nor is it a conclusion from sola Scriptura. Nobody here has even alluded to that. What we should understand is any teachings of men cannot contradict what God has spoken through His word.

And that they take for granted certain elements of the faith which were hammered out in post-Biblical times, *cough* Arianism *cough* *cough* Albigensians *cough* *cough* Donatism *cough* to name a few, while still loudly Demanding sola scriptura (hint, in a lot of heresies, the heretics cited Scripture, but it was decided they were misusing it; the reason that is important is there are folks like the extreme Calvinists (predestination) who also quote Scripture, and yet both the Catholics and most other Protestants insist they're wrong.

And do you know how it was/is determined people misused Scripture? By knowing what God has revealed to us IN Scripture. For example, Athanasius of Alexandria disputed the heresy of Arianism. He defended the Biblical teaching about the Deity of Jesus Christ by having the better argument from Scripture - even when the hierarchy of the church at that time exiled him for doing so. False teachers have ALWAYS tried to pervert the truth - it's nothing new.

What we shouldn't get caught up on is demanding others MUST always think the same way about everything - without taking into account areas that are called "disputable matters". We have liberty of conscience - between me and God - on those things that are not spelled out specifically in Scripture. You want to fast on Fridays? Be my guest, just don't mandate to me that I must also or else I'm not a good Christian.

In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity (often attributed to great theologians such as Augustine, it comes from an otherwise undistinguished German Lutheran theologian of the early seventeenth century, Rupertus Meldenius).

P.S. Hope your cough gets better. :o)

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I’m a bit of a night owl.

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But a LOT closer to it now than 30 or 40 years ago.

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That was one of the more sensible posts on this thread by a "dratted Prottie."

We can almost agree.

And that is NOT something I believe/espouse nor is it a conclusion from sola Scriptura. Nobody here has even alluded to that.

I have a work deadline, so I can't spend the time to look it up; but people on the sola side, have said stuff far worse about writings of Saints, about certain visions, about prayers.

And do you know how it was/is determined people misused Scripture? (etc.)

But that's just my point, too. Merely citing Scripture, doesn't indicate that the doctrine one is inferring from it is correct!

What we shouldn't get caught up on is demanding others MUST always think the same way about everything - without taking into account areas that are called "disputable matters".

Yeah, to quote Scripture on this, Romans 14. ;-)

FReepmail, briefly.

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Correct, the mark of the beast was the allegiance to Nero, the 666 was Nero.

This is in opposition to the mark or sign of the Lamb - the sign of the cross.

[MHGinTN]

Your spittlegeist has a sulfurous odor to it.