Posted on 01/07/2018 1:17:40 PM PST by tiredofallofit
But that chain of authority is often not so clear in the church world, especially amongst non-denominational evangelicals. If a man or woman steps up behind a pulpit and speaks to us authoritatively on matters of theology, why do we automatically accept this authority? Is it because we like what we hear? Or do we validate the authority because the pastor’s interpretation of the Bible jives with our own understanding? But who are we to even make that judgement? Why is our interpretation of the Bible any better than the person sitting next to us on the pew? And if we disagree with an aspect of the pastor’s views, do we have a right to question him? Or do we have to accept what he says because we have already consented to his authority?
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Maybe you should take your meds! I am NOT Catholic, and your reply is leftist liberal attack mode, when you have someone give facts you disagree with, SAD!
NO! Good grief, some of you are not familiar with the Bible, and what it says....may want to catch up on your reading.
Catholicism isn't satisfied by other Christian faith traditions that observe the Lord's Supper as they contend ONLY their priests are authorized to confect the "elements" and change them (transubstantiate) from what appears as bread and wine (and REMAINS that way) into the actual/literal/real flesh and blood of Jesus. That's their hook. "You can't get the "real" Jesus in you unless you come to us to get Him.", they assert. Yet we find no such teaching in the Scriptures and an examination of the writings of the early church leaders show this doctrine was not taught until centuries later (it "developed"). Jesus doesn't play such games. He said whoever BELIEVED in Him was what gave them eternal life - not those who literally ate and drank Him.
Isn't it curious how vociferously they will argue this point? Some come right out and state no one can be saved if they don't believe the same thing about this as they do yet close to half of Catholics in poll after poll don't accept the teaching either.
Ah, yes, for some. But for others, who are unwilling to lift a finger to seek truth, it would be meaningless.
"When the student is ready, the teacher appears."
St. Augustine, “On Christian Instruction” (ca. AD 410), 3, 16, 24:
LOL! That's what we HAVE been doing! Can't help it if you won't accept the answer.
He handed them BREAD, not bloody human flesh. So either Jesus is made out of bread or the bread SYMBOLIZED His soon-to-be broken body. It's not that hard, FOF. Do any of your kids quibble like you do?
You have not anserwed the question.
Yeah, I know you’re right but I can’t help but think one of these days something is gonna break through that stony heart.
Yes, I have. You won’t accept any answer that disagrees with your own. That’s the problem. Have a nice night.
26:26-30 This ordinance of the Lord's supper is to us the passover supper, by which we commemorate a much greater deliverance than that of Israel out of Egypt. Take, eat; accept of Christ as he is offered to you; receive the atonement, approve of it, submit to his grace and his government. Meat looked upon, be the dish ever so well garnished, will not nourish; it must be fed upon: so must the doctrine of Christ. This is my body; that is, spiritually, it signifies and represents his body. We partake of the sun, not by having the sun put into our hands, but the beams of it darted down upon us; so we partake of Christ by partaking of his grace, and the blessed fruits of the breaking of his body. The blood of Christ is signified and represented by the wine. He gave thanks, to teach us to look to God in every part of the ordinance. This cup he gave to the disciples with a command, Drink ye all of it. The pardon of sin is that great blessing which is, in the Lord's supper, conferred on all true believers; it is the foundation of all other blessings. He takes leave of such communion; and assures them of a happy meeting again at last; Until that day when I drink it new with you, may be understood of the joys and glories of the future state, which the saints shall partake with the Lord Jesus. That will be the kingdom of his Father; the wine of consolation will there be always new. While we look at the outward signs of Christ's body broken and his blood shed for the remission of our sins, let us recollect that the feast cost him as much as though he had literally given his flesh to be eaten and his blood for us to drink. (Matthew Henry Commentary)
OY Vey!
Follow your heart.
It’s really easy to figure out why Jesus is speaking metaphorically.
If it is so easy to figure out why Jesus is speaking metaphorically, it would seem that there would be evidence that some Christians who lived during the first 1500 years of Christianity believed this to be true.
Are you aware of any such evidence?
Yes. What do you think 'This is my body' means?
More importantly, what does 'THIS' mean...And what does 'MEAT' mean...
Joh_6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Meat
βρῶσις
brōsis
bro'-sis
From the base of G977; (abstractly) eating (literally or figuratively); by extension (concretely) food (literally or figuratively): - eating, food, meat.
Meat is food...Not necessarily actual meat...But let's look closer...
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Jesus' body wasn't a slab of meat, it was a loaf of bread...
Bread
ἄρτος
artos ar'-tos
From G142; bread (as raised) or a loaf: - (shew-) bread, loaf.
Meat is food and bread is bread...That's why Jesus never said he turned bread into meat because it was bread...It never changed...
When your priests claim to turn bread into meat, they are completely unbiblical...Paul the apostle says it is bread...Jesus' flesh was bread...Bible is clear on that...
Are you aware of any such evidence?
There is no evidence that it was anything other than bread...Just because one person in your Catholic religion makes the claim and others of the same group continue on with the fable certainly isn't evidence of its existence...
1Co_11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1Co_11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
The apostle who gave us the Gentile church says it's bread...No one in your religion got a special revelation from God claiming otherwise...
Wrong premise.
It will get you in trouble EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Why? It leads you to interpretations that contradict other Scripture and commands of God, just as the literal rendering of the supposed command to eat blood.
Matthew 13:10-13 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphor
metaphor
a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language
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