Posted on 01/07/2018 1:17:40 PM PST by tiredofallofit
But that chain of authority is often not so clear in the church world, especially amongst non-denominational evangelicals. If a man or woman steps up behind a pulpit and speaks to us authoritatively on matters of theology, why do we automatically accept this authority? Is it because we like what we hear? Or do we validate the authority because the pastor’s interpretation of the Bible jives with our own understanding? But who are we to even make that judgement? Why is our interpretation of the Bible any better than the person sitting next to us on the pew? And if we disagree with an aspect of the pastor’s views, do we have a right to question him? Or do we have to accept what he says because we have already consented to his authority?
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No one likes it when their life experience is invalidated.
Try again. You have to read and understand the WHOLE of Scripture, not just those snippets that support your man-made beliefs,
Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6:53
I will repeat my question, maybe you can answer this simple question. – show me the truth:
Tell me why, the word IS means two different things in these two Scripture verses.
" and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Mat 3:17 Here you believe ‘is’ means ‘is’
But here, “Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” Mat 26:26, you believe ‘Is” means ‘Represents”
Please tell me why. It is the same word in Greek
This should be easy for you. Show me the truth
You are ignoring the plain words of Scripture to support your man made beliefs.
You are embarrassing yourself by refusing to answer a simple question from Scripture.
I will repeat my question – show me the truth: Tell me why, the word IS means two different things in these two Scripture verses.
" and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” Mat 3:17 Here you believe ‘is’ means ‘is’
But here, “Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” Mat 26:26, you believe ‘Is” means ‘Represents”
Please tell me why. It is the same word in Greek
This should be easy for you, but you refuse to provide an answer. Show me the truth
Stop embarrassing yourself by refusing to answer.
Interesting you know exactly which words of Scripture are literal and which are symbolic. Where do you get this wisdom? Was the flood real? How do you know?
You pick and choose those verses you want to be literal
They were celebrating the PASSOVER meal.
The Passover had bread and wine.
The blood was forbidden to be consumed. The blood is poured out for atonement.
Don't eat the blood, the life is in the blood
Genesis 9:4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life , that is, its blood.
Leviticus 3:17 It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”
Leviticus 7:26-27 Moreover, you shall eat no blood whatever, whether of fowl or of animal, in any of your dwelling places. Whoever eats any blood, that person shall be cut off from his people.”
Leviticus 17:10-14 “If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, No person among you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger who sojourns among you eat blood.
“Any one also of the people of Israel, or of the strangers who sojourn among them, who takes in hunting any beast or bird that may be eaten shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth. For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
Leviticus 19:26 “You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not interpret omens or tell fortunes.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only you shall not eat the blood ; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Deuteronomy 12:23 Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life , and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only you shall not eat its blood; you shall pour it out on the ground like water.
Acts 15:12-29 And all the assembly fell silent, and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles. After they finished speaking, James replied, “Brothers, listen to me. Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name. And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written,
“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things known from of old.’
Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”
Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole church, to choose men from among them and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They sent Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, leading men among the brothers, with the following letter:
“The brothers, both the apostles and the elders, to the brothers who are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia, greetings. Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions, it has seemed good to us, having come to one accord, to choose men and send them to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who themselves will tell you the same things by word of mouth. For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Matthew 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
Mark 14:25 Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”
Luke 22:18 For I tell you that from now on I will not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Jesus tells us that Looking on Him gives life and that believing on Him gives life.
So which is it? Looking, eating, or believing?
The Catholic church picked the one to focus on and ignores the others.
Jesus said the Spirit gives life. Y'all claim it's eating Jesus that does it.
Was Jesus lying? Why are y'all ignoring Jesus plain the clear words?
It could not be any clearer that Jesus saying *the flesh is no help at all.* There's not a word in that sentence over 5 letters long. What's so hard about it?
I’ve showed you the Truth many times.
If you don’t recognize that Scripture IS the Truth, then nothing else can help you.
The VERY thing YOU are claiming to do.
Where do you get this wisdom?
From Scripture when Jesus says *the flesh 8is no help at all*.
Likewise, we can ask you the same question. Where do you get off determining what is literal and real and what is not.
Interpreting Scripture is not an option for you.
You pick and choose those verses you want to be literal
Backatcha, especially when Jesus says
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
Not embarrassed at all bro - except on your behalf.
You’ve had 6 or more hours to find the answer, but you’re back here making hystrionic posts and demanding I do the work for you.
:-)
Seriously, if you don’t demonstrate you are a seeker of truth by *actually seeking truth*, why would I take my valuable time to do what you are unwilling to do??
What is wrong with these folks???
What is wrong with these folks is that they truly believe that Jesus was speaking literally when He said “This is my body” and “this is my blood.” And it is not just Christians in the Catholic Church who believe this. While there are different understandings of what it means, Lutherans, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Eastern Orthodox Christians, and the other ancient Christian churches, such as the Abyssinian church, the Armenian church, the Coptic church all believe that the Eucharist is truly the body and blood of Christ.
Here are links that may help you understand “what is wrong with these folks.” As an aside, I wish AMPU would share links that explain his beliefs on the bread and wine. It would be helpful in understanding how one can come to believe that Jesus was speaking metaphorically.
file:///C:/Users/Rich/Downloads/WA%20The%20Sacrament%20of%20the%20Altar%20(1).pdf
https://conciliaranglican.com/2012/03/02/on-the-eucharist-this-is-my-body-no-seriously-it-is/
http://christianityinview.com/eucharist.html
This only proves you cannot answer a simple question.
I start with the premise that the words of Scripture are literal. Is means Is. You refuse to answer a simple question, and somehow ask me to prove the words of Scripture are not literal. Keep playing your games.
Why does 'IS' not mean is?
Eating blood is FORBIDDEN throughout Scripture and the command is reiterated, guided by the HOLY SPIRIT, at the Council at Jerusalem.
Acts 15:28-29 For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
If it was to be taken literally that Jesus was commanding people to eat his flesh and blood, He would be commanding them to break the very Law that He handed down to them at Mt Sinai. IOW, He would be commanding them to sin.
Not to mention that Jesus HIMSELF says it's a metaphor.
Right here, at the end of John 6.
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
The SPIRIT gives life, not eating.
The flesh is no help at all.
It's NOT physical eating of actual flesh.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/metaphor
metaphor
a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language
Answer the question
Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. John 6:53
it seems to say we need to eat his flesh. He turned bread into his flesh, so we may eat it.
What part do you not understand?
How do I know it's not "literal"? Simple...did Jesus hand them His human flesh to eat and His human blood to drink or did He use the bread and wine to SYMBOLIZE His soon-to-be sacrificed body and blood? Simply a yes or no answer. I can't get over how obtuse some are about this topic.
Or when the church they place ALL of their hope of eternal life in is invalidated about a dogma.
Yes. What do you think 'This is my body' means?
Really sad. You can see just how emotionally disturbed they can get on this thread.
The histrionics, the demands, the refusal to lift a spoon to their lips and feed themselves, and the endless repetition while ignoring what is said.
I’m afraid this kind is not open to truth yet.
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