laimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.Posted on 03/24/2015 8:06:07 AM PDT by RnMomof7
Just last Sunday, a local newspaper paper released an article teaching that the praying of the Holy Rosary is Bible-based. In the first two paragraphs, the writer admittedly says that there is no passage in the Bible teaching nor mentioned about the praying of Rosary.
However, in the following paragraphs, the writer justified the praying of the Rosary basing it on the repetition of historical events of some Bible characters (like Gideon as he mentioned) about Israel’s history.
I don’t know if the writer of this article did some research about the origin of rosary and how it was deeply encouraged for Roman Catholics.
Praying of Rosary was encouraged when Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco and Jacinta Marto claimed to have an apparation from an angel teaching them to pray in the spring of 1916. They were asked to pray repeatedly by the angel who appeared to them. This is why the Catholics were convinced that they have to pray repeatedly.
The flaw however in the story was that, the angel gave two sets of completely different prayers. The angel appeared to the three children three times.
Then after a year, 1917, it was said that Our Lady of Rosary had an apparitions for 7 times. In her second apparition the Our Lady said:
“I wish you to come here the 13th of next month; that you say the Rosary every day, and that you learn to read. In succeding months I will tell you what else I want.” “I would like to ask you to bring us to Heaven“, said Lucy. “Yes, Giacinta and Francis will be among the few, but you must stay here for a long time. Jesus wants to help Himself of you to make Me known and loved. God wishes you to remain in the world for some time because He wants to use you to establish in the world a devotion to my Immaculate Heart. I promise salvation to those who embrace it, and their souls will be loved by God as flowers placed by myself to adorn His throne.” Lucy asked: “Will I stay here alone”?, “Don’t be discouraged , I will not abandon you ever. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and through it will conduct you to God.”
Now here are the flaws of this apparition. First, the Our Lady is telling the children to teach the people to make her known and be loved. Note that the apparition was initiated not by Jesus, nor an angel, but the very person who wants to be made known. It is like, someone came to you and asked you using the name of your friend to introduce her to other people that you know.
The second flaw, Our Lady promises salvation to those who embrace this command. A completely heretical claim, and totally in contrast to what the Bible is saying. The Bible is very clear in saying that “…whosoever believes in Him (Jesus) will not perish but have everlasting life (John 3:16).” Only God can give salvation. This is the Biblical truth that cannot be altered, deducted nor added.
Third flaw, Our Lady claims that her immaculate heart will be our refuge and through it will conduct you to God. This is another contradiction to what the Bible is saying. “Come to me all you labor and are heavily burdened and I will give you rest (Matt.11:28)”, “I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6)”.
The truth is, there is only one mediator between God and man, it is only Jesus Christ (Hebrews chapters 6,7,8,9, and 10)
This is the statement coming from the third apparition:
“In october I will tell you who I am, that which I want, and I will do a miracle that all can see and believe. Sacrifice yourselves for sinners, and say often this prayer, especially during any sacrifice: “O my Jesus, I offer this for love of Thee, for the conversion of poor sinners, and in reparation for all the sins commited against the Immaculate Heart of Mary.“
The flaw of the third apparition is the claiming of honor which belongs to Jesus Christ, and the idea of co-equality with Jesus. Though she did not claim co-equality, but the fact of showing that people committed sins against her proposes the idea of deity that people needs to be so sorry for not recognizing her. The Bible tells us that there are three persona where we committed sins, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And now, here comes the Mary, an addition to the Holy Trinity.
“You have seen Hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. To save future souls God wishes to establish in the world the devotion to My Immaculate Heart. If people do what I tell you, many souls will be saved.” Then She said:” If my requests are granted, Russia will be converted and there will be peace. If not, she will scatter her errors throughout the world, provoking wars and persecution of the Church. The good will be martyed, the Holy Father will have much to suffer, and various nations will be destroyed…But in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, Russia will be converted, and a certain period of peace will be granted to the world“. “Do you want to learn a prayer?” the vision asked, “Yes we do!” the children responded. “When you recite the Rosary, say at the end of each decade: Oh My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Your Mercy.“
Now let’s look at this additional quotations from the third apparition. This is more like “Our Lady” centered command rather than “Jesus” centered command. Russia will be consecreted to Our Lady of Rosary than instead of Jesus. Notice the number of recitation of the Rosary. At the end of each decade (10), there is only one calling for Jesus help.
This is quoted from the last (6th) apparition
“I am the Lady of the Rosary, I desire here a chapel in my honor to be built, that people continue to recite the Rosary every day. Will the war finish. The war is going to end, and the soldiers will soon return to their homes.” Then Lucy asked: “may I ask you for cures and conversions, will you grant them?”. “Some yes, others no. It is necessary that they ask pardon for their sins, that they don’t offend God our Lord, and that he is already too much offended.” “Do you Want anything else from me?” Lucy asked. “I do not want anything more.“
The flaw of the 6th apparition is that the Lady of the Rosary is asking for a chapel in “HER” honor, and not Jesus’ nor the Father’s honor. We have to note that taking glory which supposed to be for God is a serious sin, this is idolatry.
The apparition is completely directing people in a wrong path. It is completely in contradiction with what the Bible is saying. The Bible warn us about these kinds of apparitions in Galatians 1:8 “But even though we (referring to Paul and his companions) or an angel from heaven, which should preach to you any gospel other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.” This is a strong warning that we should be careful in believing apparitions especially if it gives another teachings that what the Bible already have taught us.
Just some additional observations concerning the apparition of Our Lady of Rosary. Our Lady appeared “6” times. In Hebrew culture (the Israelite culture), 6 is the imperfect number. A number usually associated with evil things. Thus, the number of the Beast in the Book of Revelations tells us that it is 666.
Another observation is the dates of the apparition. The apparition dates are significantly on the 13th of every month of that year. Even until, Roman Catholics believe that 13th is always associated with evil things like Friday the 13t h bad luck and not placing 13th floor on buildings. Not to mention all the horror movies that happens on Friday the 13th.
Now let me ask you, do you really believe that these apparitions comes from God? These apparition and commands are completely in contrast to what the Bible teaches us. They are “Our Lady of Rosary” centered rather than “God” centered. The apparitions promotes glory and honor for “Our Lady of Rosary” rather than the glory of God. And finally, even culture related things are in contradiction to the apparitions. Not to mention its lack of Apostolicity and Biblical support.
I appreciate your response, and i also wondered if that sentence was being understood correctly, yet in any case using this or like texts to support Joe Smiths occultic visions is specious and desperate.
That’s not going to work for you af_vet_1981. The “Word” became flesh having taken on a fleshly form from Mary but the “Word” was with God and was God before taking that fleshly body via Mary. Jesus said “before Abraham was I am”. That’s long before Mary. The only thing that originated with Mary was His flesh.
Mary is the originator of His human body and not His God nature.
This is true. Jesus did not derive His divinity from His mother. But this did not make her any less His mother.
If I may refer you to Luke 2:41-52, when the 12 year old Jesus went to Jerusalem with His parents, Jesus tarried as His parents returned, and when they found Him not, they turned back to Jerusalem seeking Him. I’m sure you know this story. When they found Him in the temple, “they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.” And he said unto them, “How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father’s business?”
Was this not Jesus speaking in His divinity? Yet this divine Jesus “went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.”
Did you actually read the Scripture I posted from Matthew Chapter 1?
Even if you did read it, it is evident from your responses that you ignored that Scripture and what it says.
My answer to you is that I am in agreement with what that particular passage of Scripture (inspired by the Spirit of Truth) says in plain-enough English.
The conniving that went into the wording of your mini-Inquisition demand frees me from owing you a yes or a nay to your silly trickily-worded question.
What part of “don’t put words into the Holy Spirit’s mouth” do you not understand. Or do you not think the Holy Spirit knew what He was doing by not calling her the “mother of God”?
Do you deny Mary is the mother of Immanuel ?
Vet wins this thread!
What words did the Holy Spirit use to describe Mary? Mother of Jesus or mother of God? Do you think He was mistaken on His word choice?
We have a new keyword abuser! - or should I say an old one, since I've also been the subject of that keyword for nearly a decade.
A Jewish cult music lover?
Or a deep thing of satan?
Mean Old Anti-Catholic B?
Mary became pregnant...She conceived a baby...The question is: what did Mary contribute to the conception of THAT baby, or any baby???
The bible says we all have a body, a soul, and a spirit...
1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So YOU were born with a body, a soul and a spirit...The question is: how much of your existance did your mother contribute to your conception...All of it???
Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
It should be clear to any one who will bother to read the bible that a man's make-up is never 100% human (as we understand humans)...
Speaking of death:
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
So, it ought to be REALLY obvious even in human creation the human mother does not contribute everything needed for the life of the baby...It is true in your life and the life of Jesus as well...
And the 'soul', that's another story altogether...
While the word conceive means pregnant, another meaning of conceive means:
to cause to begin...
So while Mary was the cause for the body of Jesus to begin, she certainly was not the cause of the spirit which inhabited Jesus...Scripture shows us that...
Many people connect the 'spirit' of man to the nature of man...
At any rate, we know that the spirit of man comes from God, not our mothers...The Divine spirt of Jesus we also know came from God, not Mary...Mary did not cause the Divine Spirit to begin...The Holy Spirit was responsible for that...
Therefore, Mary was not the conceiver of that Divine Spirit...Mary, as other mothers was the conceiver of the body and the organs...
When Jesus died on the Cross, the contribution that Mary made to the conception and birth of Jesus, died...The spirit went to heaven and the soul hung around for the next mission...
Jesus shed his earthly body which wasn't fit for heaven and ultimately waited for that corrupted piece of meat to be changed into a heavenly body...
Of course your religion has a different take on it...But based on what??? God's scripture??? Nope...Based on man's failed wisdom...I'll go with the scriptures...
Makes more sense, for male and female posters.
So you are implying that there was no bodily resurrection much like certain cults teach? His body did not come forth from the tomb, it maybe dissolved into gasses or something?
Supporting the concept STILL doesn't place the PHRASE: Mother of GOD into the Scriptures.
Yeah...
...it'll just fall from the sky!!
Logic 102?
To which I would reply...
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