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To: rwa265
If this is not so, please explain.

Mary became pregnant...She conceived a baby...The question is: what did Mary contribute to the conception of THAT baby, or any baby???

The bible says we all have a body, a soul, and a spirit...

1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

So YOU were born with a body, a soul and a spirit...The question is: how much of your existance did your mother contribute to your conception...All of it???

Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Zec 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

It should be clear to any one who will bother to read the bible that a man's make-up is never 100% human (as we understand humans)...

Speaking of death:

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

So, it ought to be REALLY obvious even in human creation the human mother does not contribute everything needed for the life of the baby...It is true in your life and the life of Jesus as well...

And the 'soul', that's another story altogether...

While the word conceive means pregnant, another meaning of conceive means:

to cause to begin...

So while Mary was the cause for the body of Jesus to begin, she certainly was not the cause of the spirit which inhabited Jesus...Scripture shows us that...

Many people connect the 'spirit' of man to the nature of man...

At any rate, we know that the spirit of man comes from God, not our mothers...The Divine spirt of Jesus we also know came from God, not Mary...Mary did not cause the Divine Spirit to begin...The Holy Spirit was responsible for that...

Therefore, Mary was not the conceiver of that Divine Spirit...Mary, as other mothers was the conceiver of the body and the organs...

When Jesus died on the Cross, the contribution that Mary made to the conception and birth of Jesus, died...The spirit went to heaven and the soul hung around for the next mission...

Jesus shed his earthly body which wasn't fit for heaven and ultimately waited for that corrupted piece of meat to be changed into a heavenly body...

Of course your religion has a different take on it...But based on what??? God's scripture??? Nope...Based on man's failed wisdom...I'll go with the scriptures...

672 posted on 03/25/2015 6:02:01 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
Jesus shed his earthly body which wasn't fit for heaven and ultimately waited for that corrupted piece of meat to be changed into a heavenly body...

So you are implying that there was no bodily resurrection much like certain cults teach? His body did not come forth from the tomb, it maybe dissolved into gasses or something?

674 posted on 03/25/2015 6:11:42 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Iscool

Mary became pregnant...She conceived a baby...The question is: what did Mary contribute to the conception of THAT baby, or any baby???

The bible says we all have a body, a soul, and a spirit...

The question is: how much of your existance did your mother contribute to your conception...


Actually, the question we are dealing with here is what is the relationship between the persons. What is the relationship between Mary and the baby she conceived? What is the relationship between the woman who contributed to my conception and myself? You said it yourself. She is my mother. Not to just the part of me that came from her, but to my whole person, body, soul, and spirit. This does not mean my soul belongs to my mother, it belongs to God. I am nevertheless obligated to observe the commandment to obey my mother. The same is true with Mary and the baby she conceived. She was mother to His whole person, body, soul, and spirit. The mother of Jesus in His humanity and divinity, the mother of God incarnate. But just as my soul belongs to God, so does Mary’s soul belong to God. Even so, as shown in Luke 2:51, Jesus in his humanity and divinity observed the commandment to be obedient to His mother.


712 posted on 03/26/2015 1:13:19 AM PDT by rwa265
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