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Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level
International Business Times ^ | 09/17/2014 | Tanya Diente

Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24

Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.

Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.

"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.

The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.

"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.

Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.

The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity.  Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity. 

Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."

Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".

However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.

But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.

"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.

However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: evangelical; jesus; orthodox; protestant
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Agreed. But given the climate and his past comments, it’s getting to the point where you see a headline and think, “here we go again” rather than “this can’t be true”.


61 posted on 09/17/2014 1:21:48 PM PDT by piusv
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To: thetallguy24
Yah'shua did not come to start a new religion.

He did not come to start the Presbyterian, Baptist or Roman church.

He came to return His people to His WORD.

Later to share His WORD with the Nations.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

62 posted on 09/17/2014 1:28:48 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Never heard of a Hindu who was the least bit confused by the mystery of the Trinity. They might not completely understand the difference between hypostasis and material manifestations of Godhead [avatars, incarnations and the like] but the concept is not alien to them.

Muslims, on the other hand, are completely baffled by the idea, referring to three gods, divided gods, and other idiocy having nothing to do with Trinitarian Doctrine.

They're also confused about who Mary is, because "The Profit" himself had no idea.

63 posted on 09/17/2014 1:29:29 PM PDT by FredZarguna (His first name is 'Unarmed,' and his given middle name is 'Teenager.')
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To: metmom; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; CynicalBear; daniel1212; Dutchboy88
Is Mary going out with Frank?


64 posted on 09/17/2014 4:25:32 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: thetallguy24
Don’t forget Rahab, prostitute AND non-Jew turned descendant of Jesus.

She seemed to be of a pretty high moral character to do what she did. What was she doing with all of those flax plants on her roof?

65 posted on 09/17/2014 4:34:25 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
As much as this pope causes dismay among orthodox Catholics, this article is so full of it that no one, even the most ardent anti-Catholic bigot, can possibly take it seriously.

We'll see.

If the pope said it; it WILL be sourced in many places; some even authentic.

66 posted on 09/17/2014 7:10:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: defconw
He did not say what they said he said.

Wow!

Just like the Magisterium tells us the Scriptures do not say what they plainly say.

67 posted on 09/17/2014 7:11:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: paladinan; mlizzy
“There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing.”
-Ven. Fulton J. Sheen, Archbishop


“There are not a hundred people in America who dishonor the Virgin Mary. There are millions of people who hate what the Catholic Church falsely teaches about her — which is, of course, quite a different thing.”
-Elsie the Great

68 posted on 09/17/2014 7:14:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: vladimir998
“I think it’s fairly obvious that some people are so consumed with hatred for the Roman Catholic Church that they’ll believe anything, ....so long as it confirms their anti-Catholic beliefs.

“I think it’s fairly obvious that some people are so consumed with hatred for ProtestantISM that they’ll believe anything, ....so long as it confirms their anti-Protestant beliefs.

The religion forum is overflowing with them.

69 posted on 09/17/2014 7:16:04 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Petrosius

I agree 100%


70 posted on 09/17/2014 7:16:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: thetallguy24
Since the SOURCE is AUTHENTIC; I'll have to assume what is posted there is as well:

Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son’s journey, learned, suffered and obeyed.

Any of you well catechized Catholics want to show us poor deluded Prots just WHERE Paul said this?

71 posted on 09/17/2014 7:20:53 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

WHEN will I learn to read ahead???


72 posted on 09/17/2014 7:21:30 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Dutchboy88

Heck; at this point in time; I’d settle for some TRADITION where Paul said such a thing.


73 posted on 09/17/2014 7:22:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Karl Spooner

Don’t you know where LINEN comes from?


74 posted on 09/17/2014 7:24:18 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

He didn’t say it. Its conjecture about conjecture about what he did say.

But that won’t stop anti-Catholic bigots from glomming onto it.


75 posted on 09/17/2014 7:32:08 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Elsie

It’s an extrapolation from I Corinthians, wherein Paul describes Jesus Christ as the second or last Adam. I’ve always been puzzled by the awkwardness of this, as Eve was Adam’s mate, not his mother.


76 posted on 09/17/2014 7:32:55 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Elsie

No problem.

Since the question wasn’t answered anyway, it does no harm to ask it again.

Although, it won’t be answered this time either.


77 posted on 09/17/2014 7:35:12 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: RegulatorCountry

There’s lots of extrapolation by people who want to find Scripture to support their doctrine but can’t.


78 posted on 09/17/2014 7:36:37 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie

“Any of you well catechized Catholics want to show us poor deluded Prots just WHERE Paul said this?”

It has to do with what St. Paul said about the New Adam (Christ) in Romans 5:12-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:22-49. If Pope Francis made the comment at all, he made it much the same way Matthew cites the prophets in Matthew 2:23. They never actually said what Matthew says they said in so many words. It is an idea taken from something else they said that agrees with the text.


80 posted on 09/17/2014 7:46:07 PM PDT by vladimir998
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