Posted on 09/17/2014 9:07:14 AM PDT by thetallguy24
Pope Francis, with his open-mindedness and more humanist approach to Catholicism reportedly promoted that the Virgin Mary should be at the second Holy Trinity, even putting her at Godhead level.
Pope Francis recently attended the morning mass for the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows on Sept. 15 at Casa Santa Marta. He preached on how the Virgin Mary "learned, obeyed and suffered at the foot of the cross," according to the Vatican Radio.
"Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son's journey, learned, suffered and obeyed. And thus she becomes Mother," Pope Francis said.
The Pope further added that Mary is the "anointed Mother." Pope Francis said the Virgin Mary is one with the church. Without her Jesus Christ would not have been born and introduced into Christian lives. Without the Virgin Mary there would be no Mother Church.
"Without the Church, we cannot go forward," the Pope added during his sermon.
Now The End Begins claims Pope Francis' reflection on the Virgin Mary suggests people's hope is not Jesus Christ but the Mother Church.
The site claims his sermon somehow indicates a change in the position Jesus holds in the Holy Trinity. Jesus has reportedly been demoted to the third trinity. While the Virgin Mary and the Holy Mother Church, the Roman Catholic Church, takes over his place at the second trinity.
Additionally, basing on Pope Francis words he may have supposedly even put the status of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the "Godhead level."
Revelation 17:4-6 according to the site, gives meaning to the Pope's reflection. The chapter tells the story of the apostle John and his "great admiration" for the Virgin Mary. Now The End Begins claims the verses also speaks about the Holy Mother Church and how God thinks of the "holy Roman Mother Church".
However, the Bible seems to contradict Pope Francis promotion of the Virgin Mary to second trinity. The site quoted some passages wherein the "blessed hope" of the Christians is "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ." There was reportedly never any mention of the Virgin Mary as being any kind of hope to anyone or anything.
But during the Feast of Our Lady of Sorrows, Pope Francis ended his reflection with the assurance of hope from the Virgin Mary and the Mother Church.
"Today we can go forward with a hope: the hope that our Mother Mary, steadfast at the Cross, and our Holy Mother, the hierarchical Church, give us," he said.
However, the Bible's passages shouldn't be taken literally, especially when it comes to reflections of the Virgin Mary and Jesus Christ.
Agreed. But given the climate and his past comments, it’s getting to the point where you see a headline and think, “here we go again” rather than “this can’t be true”.
Yah'shua did not come to start a new religion.shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiachHe did not come to start the Presbyterian, Baptist or Roman church.
He came to return His people to His WORD.
Later to share His WORD with the Nations.
Muslims, on the other hand, are completely baffled by the idea, referring to three gods, divided gods, and other idiocy having nothing to do with Trinitarian Doctrine.
They're also confused about who Mary is, because "The Profit" himself had no idea.
She seemed to be of a pretty high moral character to do what she did. What was she doing with all of those flax plants on her roof?
We'll see.
If the pope said it; it WILL be sourced in many places; some even authentic.
Wow!
Just like the Magisterium tells us the Scriptures do not say what they plainly say.
“There are not a hundred people in America who dishonor the Virgin Mary. There are millions of people who hate what the Catholic Church falsely teaches about her — which is, of course, quite a different thing.”
-Elsie the Great
“I think it’s fairly obvious that some people are so consumed with hatred for ProtestantISM that they’ll believe anything, ....so long as it confirms their anti-Protestant beliefs.
The religion forum is overflowing with them.
I agree 100%
Even the Mother, 'the New Eve', as Paul himself calls her, in order to participate in her Son’s journey, learned, suffered and obeyed.
Any of you well catechized Catholics want to show us poor deluded Prots just WHERE Paul said this?
WHEN will I learn to read ahead???
Heck; at this point in time; I’d settle for some TRADITION where Paul said such a thing.
Don’t you know where LINEN comes from?
He didn’t say it. Its conjecture about conjecture about what he did say.
But that won’t stop anti-Catholic bigots from glomming onto it.
It’s an extrapolation from I Corinthians, wherein Paul describes Jesus Christ as the second or last Adam. I’ve always been puzzled by the awkwardness of this, as Eve was Adam’s mate, not his mother.
No problem.
Since the question wasn’t answered anyway, it does no harm to ask it again.
Although, it won’t be answered this time either.
There’s lots of extrapolation by people who want to find Scripture to support their doctrine but can’t.
“Any of you well catechized Catholics want to show us poor deluded Prots just WHERE Paul said this?”
It has to do with what St. Paul said about the New Adam (Christ) in Romans 5:12-21 and 1 Corinthians 15:22-49. If Pope Francis made the comment at all, he made it much the same way Matthew cites the prophets in Matthew 2:23. They never actually said what Matthew says they said in so many words. It is an idea taken from something else they said that agrees with the text.
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